Bought yet another

[GTACutlass]

Scout. 1966, 80xxx miles, has a few new parts, and is cleanest one I've owned. Needs some TLC but thats alright. 4 cylinder, 4 speed (fuck yeah), 4 wheel drive. Truck is actually kinda rare, its whats known as a "doll up." This particular one is the champagne edition and is getting restored.











A nice little comparison between stock and modified.

[BONESTOCK]

Ha! Fuggin cool lil trucks!!

[StealthTT]

cool. I have always wondered about Scouts. Any good sites out there other than wikipedia?

[StealthTT]

so the company went broke in 1980? How did they start up? No affiliation to the big 3?

Hard to get parts from them?

[finnedandthefuryous]

Good find man, how does it run? Where'd you find it? I'm on the trail of another 80 currently myself. The 4spds are awesome, I've been driving my 800 everywhere and the 4spd is a definite upgrade over the 3spd. The V8 isn't bad either. Last weekend was perfect weather to take the top off and cruise, I had a ball.

[finnedandthefuryous]

Originally Posted by StealthTT

cool. I have always wondered about Scouts. Any good sites out there other than wikipedia?

http://www.binderplanet.com/ Theres a whole lot of information to be found just by searching the forums.

[GTACutlass]

The company started up from the tractor company International Harvester (which I believe was previously McCormick and something?) Anyway, the company had been around forever producing farm equipment and trucks. My family actually has a 1936 International Tow truck. In 1961 they designed the Scout and the rest is history. The light line (trucks/Scouts) was killed midway through 1980 but they kept on making the big trucks like 10 wheelers and what not. No affiliation to the big 3.

International Harvester is often overlooked but they are the shit. They were a hugely innovative company and made a ton of stuff. They made farm equipment, trucks, big trucks, household appliances and other stuff. The Scout was (as far as I'm concerned) the first SUV. They had Suburban like vehicles called travellalls. They had a Chevy Avalanche style vehicle called the Travellete. They even had mid-size trucks with diesel motors. Aside from being innovative, these things are tough as shit. The 345CI motors put in some Scouts is the same motor used in gas powered ramp trucks, school buses etc.

Finding parts for them isn't the hardest thing in the world, but its not the easiest either. Body parts are the hardest thing to find (these rotted on the showroom floor) but there is a lot of stuff out there.

As far as sources for more information, there is a lot out there. This is just a few off the top of my head. The company is worth reading about, they're pretty interesting.

binderplanet.com
binderbooks.com
justih.com

Theres a ton of other sites, if you visit those you'll find more. Thanks for the interest!

Originally Posted by StealthTT

so the company went broke in 1980? How did they start up? No affiliation to the big 3?

Hard to get parts from them?

[GTACutlass]

Thanks man. It runs pretty good. The guy I bought it from sad it never ran right but he had the choke pushed in all the way and they never run good like that haha. Its got a new mechanical fuel pump and a rebuilt carb so it runs pretty good. I actually found it near your neck of the woods, truck came from Bourne...just under the bridge pretty much.

Glad to hear you have yours out and about...I've yet to drive one of these on the road.

Originally Posted by finnedandthefuryous

Good find man, how does it run? Where'd you find it? I'm on the trail of another 80 currently myself. The 4spds are awesome, I've been driving my 800 everywhere and the 4spd is a definite upgrade over the 3spd. The V8 isn't bad either. Last weekend was perfect weather to take the top off and cruise, I had a ball.

[BobBarry]

Originally Posted by GTACutlass

Scout. 1966, 80xxx miles, has a few new parts, and is cleanest one I've owned. Needs some TLC but thats alright. 4 cylinder, 4 speed (fuck yeah), 4 wheel drive. Truck is actually kinda rare, its whats known as a "doll up." This particular one is the champagne edition and is getting restored.

I thought the Champagne Editions came with a pressure-treated front bumper... ;)

That is a cool find, and definitely worth restoring, as the special editions weren't recognized as worth anything for the longest time and were often modified beyond recognition. The handful that people restore will be worth something in the right crowds.



But I have to say that you'd have a hard time convincing me that the Willys 4x4 Wagon wasn't the first SUV:



Even the '57 Dodge Town Wagon, with its V-8, auto trans and 4x4 has a better claim:



And just to show how far back this debate goes...

[H3llphyre]

Originally Posted by BobBarry

But I have to say that you'd have a hard time convincing me that the Willys 4x4 Wagon wasn't the first SUV:

My favorite of all time, mainly because my father had a '55 when I was a kid and we used to go 4 wheelin' in it all the time. I want one SOOO bad, but I just can't justify buying one. Horrible street vehicle.

[GTACutlass]

Bob, I like the rebuttal. I actually didn't even think of the Willys wagon...that's a good one. But way way before that the Suburbans were around (I'm pretty sure). I honestly don't consider a flatfender, or CJ-5/7 to be in the same class as these. A CJ-6 sure, (but you never see those, I've actually never even seen one in person) and a Scrambler I'd consider as well. Flatfenders and the CJ's are just way too small...they were versatile, yes, but tiny. I started building a flatfender and I had a hard time fitting in it and I'm like 5'10" 135 LBS haha. Now add a family and camping gear whatever and you're cramped. Most of the flatty's werent sealed up all too well either, no doors, soft top or a ugly as sin steel roof...not that great for a family. The Willys wagon seems like it could take the cake for the first SUV, but the Scout was definitely a trendsetter for the SUVS to follow, IE removable top, 2 door only, and especially in the marketing.

That Dodge you showed a picture of was pretty neat, never heard of one of those.

Thanks for posting that article of the Jeep/Scout comparison...it was a pretty interesting read.

Originally Posted by BobBarry

But I have to say that you'd have a hard time convincing me that the Willys 4x4 Wagon wasn't the first SUV:



And just to show how far back this debate goes...

[BobBarry]

Originally Posted by GTACutlass

Bob, I like the rebuttal. I actually didn't even think of the Willys wagon...that's a good one. But way way before that the Suburbans were around (I'm pretty sure). I honestly don't consider a flatfender, or CJ-5/7 to be in the same class as these. A CJ-6 sure, (but you never see those, I've actually never even seen one in person) and a Scrambler I'd consider as well. Flatfenders and the CJ's are just way too small...they were versatile, yes, but tiny. I started building a flatfender and I had a hard time fitting in it and I'm like 5'10" 135 LBS haha. Now add a family and camping gear whatever and you're cramped. Most of the flatty's werent sealed up all too well either, no doors, soft top or a ugly as sin steel roof...not that great for a family. The Willys wagon seems like it could take the cake for the first SUV, but the Scout was definitely a trendsetter for the SUVS to follow, IE removable top, 2 door only, and especially in the marketing.

That Dodge you showed a picture of was pretty neat, never heard of one of those.

Thanks for posting that article of the Jeep/Scout comparison...it was a pretty interesting read.

Suburbans were around, and you could get those, as well as the Ford/Mercury woodie wagons with 4wd conversions (a fascinating history all its own), but not something from the factory.

The Scouts definitely established a non-utilitarian "sporty" 4wd vehicle in the market, which the Jeepster, Bronco, Blazer and Ramcharger later followed. The Scouts could also be bought in purely utilitarian versions, so they were versatile as well. The CJ's and even the Wagons claimed to be "dual-purpose", but you would never confuse either of them with a contemporary passenger-vehicle.

If you use the SUV criteria that most people consider today, though: street-oriented, IFS, 4wd, auto-trans, 4-door and A/C with contemporary car styling, then the '64 Jeep Wagoneer is undoubtedly the first to meet all those criteria. Though we think of them as dated, since the body remained essentially the same until '91, at the time they were introduced they had the same styling as the Chevy II/full-size wagons of the same era and similar mechanical specifications with the bonus of 4wd. But it wasn't until the '83 S-10 Blazer/'84 XJ Cherokee/Wagoneer that the SUV market really took off.

[GTACutlass]

I knew about the Suburbans (the old NAPCO conversions) but have never heard of the Ford/Mercury wagon. Any pictures floating around of one? I'd google it but I'm not too sure what to look for.

Originally Posted by BobBarry

Suburbans were around, and you could get those, as well as the Ford/Mercury woodie wagons with 4wd conversions (a fascinating history all its own), but not something from the factory.

[qwik88]

get rid of all the stupid scouts and finish the damn blazer or give it to me

[GTACutlass]

Originally Posted by qwik88

get rid of all the stupid scouts and finish the damn blazer or give it to me

Haha, Blazer is getting pressure washed and going away into storage for a while along with this Scout. I'd definitely sell the Blazer, but it wouldn't stay local...I'd make sure it goes far far away so I never see it again.

[wheels]

there is another on CL

[finnedandthefuryous]

Originally Posted by wheels

there is another on CL

Which one?

[Jack ffr1846]

Growing up, my best friend's father had a 61 scout that he used only to plow driveways. They replaced the front rusted out fenders in the mid 70's and repainted the whole thing. My friend bought out his dad's business and probably still owns it today. By the 80's, it only had 30k miles on it.

[wheels]

forget where it is but it was posted within this week i look all of newengland so i could be anywhere

[GTACutlass]

Originally Posted by finnedandthefuryous

Which one?

Probably the 6 cylinder one with no rearend...has been up forever. Theres a guy selling his collection, his name is Ray. He is the owner of East Coast Scouts and is selling pretty much all his stuff...seems like most of the good stuff is gone though.

[finnedandthefuryous]

Ah yes, I've seen that one before. Hes pretty determined to sell that one. I contacted him at one point about one of his travelalls but it was more of a project then I wanted to deal with.