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H3llphyre
10-22-2003, 01:43 PM
Engine power tests will change

New standard to make claims more accurate
October 21, 2003






BY MARK PHELAN
FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER




Car owners may soon gain more confidence in the horsepower that automakers claim for their vehicles.

A group of engineers is developing a new standard to verify automakers' claims for the power their engines develop.

In the recent past, automakers from Jaguar to Hyundai have admitted they advertised unrealistically high output numbers for their cars.

"Horsepower numbers are absolutely important to our readers," said Frank Markus, technical director of Car and Driver magazine. "It's one of the most crucial numbers. It's how we tell them why one car is better than another."

The Society of Automotive Engineers is revising its standard for measuring horsepower and will suggest automakers have an independent observer to verify the numbers they claim for horsepower and torque, said David Landcaster, General Motors Corp. engineering group manager and chairman of the SAE committee developing the new standard.

One horsepower is the amount of force necessary to lift 550 pounds 1 foot in 1 second. SAE has developed standards for everything from motor oil to vehicle electronics.

The new standard will also set a procedure for how to test torque, the other main force automakers advertise.

Torque measures the turning force generated at the wheels. While high horsepower numbers generally equate to higher top speeds, torque determines a vehicle's acceleration and ability to pull heavy loads.

"Companies have always been able to claim whatever horsepower they wanted," Markus said. "Adding some accountability for the numbers would be a good thing."

Car and Driver caught Jaguar claiming 10 more horsepower than its high-performance S-type R model actually developed a couple of years ago. The automaker then revealed it used a test procedure that gave it higher numbers than what is generally accepted by engineers.

Automakers can test for horsepower and torque in a variety of ways ranging from testing an engine sitting on a bench to evaluating the actual power transmitted to a vehicle's wheels.

Ford and Mazda have also had to lower the horsepower they claimed some of their cars produced.

"It makes you suspicious when a car claims more horsepower but has less performance," Markus said. "Some companies go with the number they like, especially when it gives them a nice round number like 400 horsepower."

The current test, which was last revised in 1970, allows automakers to claim horsepower and torque figures higher than what most owners will actually experience, Landcaster said.

Ford, GM and DaimlerChrysler support the idea of a new independently verified horsepower test.

The new standard should be written by the end of the year, Landcaster said. An SAE advisory committee will then decide whether to adopt the procedure and the use of outside witnesses to verify automakers' claims.

bottledbird68
10-23-2003, 12:35 AM
OK, here's my question. What exactly are the "new" standars going to be? If one horsepower is what it takes to lift 550 pounds one foot in one second then what is going to be so different? :eh:

H3llphyre
10-23-2003, 12:40 AM
Originally posted by bottledbird68
OK, here's my question. What exactly are the "new" standars going to be? If one horsepower is what it takes to lift 550 pounds one foot in one second then what is going to be so different? :eh:
Its the method for testing. Like any instrument, they need to be tuned and set correctly. You can fuck up a dyno-jet dyno by mis-calibrating it and making more horse. This is more or less what they are doing. So, the SAE is trying to come up with a fixed procedure for measuring HP.

timGT
10-23-2003, 10:27 AM
03 cobras are gonna have a boost in HP when that kicks in then huh?

Igetlaidalot
10-23-2003, 11:58 AM
im not a fan of this, at all. this will fuck up for insurance purposes any high powered car. its like back in teh day when ALL big blocks by every company magically put out 425 hp, when ironically that was very near the insurance cutoff to the next level of prices...

RacerXTT
10-23-2003, 12:19 PM
Well, companies also mis-put or often lie about actual bhp or ps numbers (biggest example Nissan with the Skyline, 275ps my ass). However, there should be a more accurate testing procedure cuz there are a lot of cars with overrated and underrated ps ratings, and getting rid of the term HP should be first.

540Malibu
10-23-2003, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by bottledbird68
OK, here's my question. What exactly are the "new" standars going to be? If one horsepower is what it takes to lift 550 pounds one foot in one second then what is going to be so different? :eh:

nothings going to be different, they are jsut going to use SAE DYNO figures to determine actual HP instead of letting ford continuously overrate their motors.