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H3llphyre
12-11-2003, 06:31 AM
Miller Cycle engine. Used in Mazda Millenia. Cool motor, didnt realize it wasn't a standard "Otto" design.

In engineering, the Miller cycle is a combustion process used in a type of four-stroke internal combustion engine. The Miller cycle was patented by Ralph Miller, an American engineer, in the 1940s. This type of engine was first used in ships and stationary power-generating plant, but has recently (late 1990s) been adapted by Mazda for use in automobiles.

The traditional Otto cycle used four "strokes", of which two can be considered "high power" – the compression and power strokes. Much of the power lost in an engine is due to the energy needed to compress the charge during the compression stroke, so systems to reduce this can lead to greater efficiency.

In the Miller cycle the intake valve is left open longer than it normally would be. This is the "fifth" cycle that the Miller cycle introduces. As the piston moves back up in what is normally the compression stroke, the charge is being pushed back out the normally closed valve. Typically this would lead to losing some of the needed charge, but in the Miller cycle the piston in fact is over-fed with charge from a supercharger, so blowing a bit back out is entirely planned. The supercharger typically will need to be of the positive displacement kind (due its ability to produce boost at relatively low RPM) otherwise low-rpm torque will suffer.

The key is that the valve only closes, and compression stroke actually starts, only when the piston has pushed out this "extra" charge, say 20 to 30% of the overall motion of the piston. In other words the compression stroke is only 70 to 80% as long as the physical motion of the piston. The piston gets all the compression for 70% of the work.

The Miller cycle "works" as long as the supercharger can compress the charge for less energy than the piston. In general this is not the case, at higher compressions the piston is much better at it. The key, however, is that at low compressions the supercharger is better than the piston. Thus the Miller cycle uses the supercharger for the portion of the compression where it is best, and the piston for the portion where it is best. All in all this leads to a reduction in the power needed to run the engine by 10 to 15%. To this end successfull production versions of this cycle have typically used variable valve timing to "switch on&off" the miller cycle when efficiency does not meet expectation.

In a typical Spark Ignition Engine however the miller cycle yields another benefit. Compression of air by the supercharger and cooled by an intercooler will yield a lower intake charge temperature than that obtained by a higher compression. This allows ignition timing to be altered to beyond what is normally allowed before the onset of detonation, thus increasing the overall efficiency still further.

WETDRM
12-11-2003, 12:11 PM
GEEK..............Poeple ,this is what happens when a computer geek gets interested in cars.:smokin:

Feral
12-11-2003, 01:31 PM
You think he wrote all that??? No way ... he's faaaarrr to lazy for that ... he just cut and pasted it to make himself feel smart.

H3llphyre
12-11-2003, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by Feral
You think he wrote all that??? No way ... he's faaaarrr to lazy for that ... he just cut and pasted it to make himself feel smart.

Hence the italics... I usually italicize when I quote.... Fucker.

540Malibu
12-11-2003, 10:54 PM
thats all fine and dandy but you lose efficiency in disturbuing the fluid motion of the air in the runner and addign turbuklance. Also the first 30% of the compression stroke draws NO power whatsoever, so you are just wasting all that air which could have given you more power.

im going to call this one the cock cycle......

in this instance, we add a supercharger to the exhaust side of the motor, instead of "forcing" air into the motor, we are going to force the exhaust out and create a suction on the piston bringing the exhaust stroke piston up more quicky.....:owned:

Feral
12-12-2003, 08:08 AM
Actually Spence the Miller Cycle engine is more efficient ... gasoline wise / HP than a standard Otto cycle. The BSFC on miller cycle engines can float around .35-.4 ... even in larger engines. Now the Miller Cycle engine sucks for making power ... a bigtime waste of air ... but it is excellent for saving fuel ...

540Malibu
12-12-2003, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by Feral
Actually Spence the Miller Cycle engine is more efficient ... gasoline wise / HP than a standard Otto cycle. The BSFC on miller cycle engines can float around .35-.4 ... even in larger engines. Now the Miller Cycle engine sucks for making power ... a bigtime waste of air ... but it is excellent for saving fuel ...

the lack of power is created by a lack of compression, if you were running 5:1 compression you would have a bsfc in the low numbers too, add to that the parasitic drag of the SC and your screwed.

Feral
12-12-2003, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by 540Malibu
the lack of power is created by a lack of compression, if you were running 5:1 compression you would have a bsfc in the low numbers too, add to that the parasitic drag of the SC and your screwed. Yeah but when you have enough displacement combined with the FI the less power/CI doesn't matter. The millenia makes plenty of power for a car its size and it gets pretty excellent fuel economy out of it too.

I mean you could run a 5:1 CR on a 5.7 and so what ... you only make 250HP out of it ... still enough to move around a car. Add in a supercharger and you get plenty of power.

Now lets look at the Millenia ... it comes in 2 trims. One comes with a 2.5L DOHC V6 Otto engine the other with a 2.3L DOHC, supercharged Miller engine. The 2.5L makes 170HP the 2.3 makes 210HP ... the 2.3 gets slightly better fuel economy too.

The fact is this all really depends on VVT/VTEC or whatever for it to work right ... since the miller cycle is only efficient for some of the RPM range ... but in the end the miller cycle nets about a 10-15% better efficiency than a standard Otto cycle motor ... but it requires a lot more moving parts (supercharger, VVT).

540Malibu
12-14-2003, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by Feral
Yeah but when you have enough displacement combined with the FI the less power/CI doesn't matter. The millenia makes plenty of power for a car its size and it gets pretty excellent fuel economy out of it too.

I mean you could run a 5:1 CR on a 5.7 and so what ... you only make 250HP out of it ... still enough to move around a car. Add in a supercharger and you get plenty of power.

Now lets look at the Millenia ... it comes in 2 trims. One comes with a 2.5L DOHC V6 Otto engine the other with a 2.3L DOHC, supercharged Miller engine. The 2.5L makes 170HP the 2.3 makes 210HP ... the 2.3 gets slightly better fuel economy too.

The fact is this all really depends on VVT/VTEC or whatever for it to work right ... since the miller cycle is only efficient for some of the RPM range ... but in the end the miller cycle nets about a 10-15% better efficiency than a standard Otto cycle motor ... but it requires a lot more moving parts (supercharger, VVT).

then gen III Ls6 makes twice the power and still has 30mpg. so the ls6 is larger and gets the same mileage, therefor ls6 is more efficient.

H3llphyre
12-14-2003, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by 540Malibu
then gen III Ls6 makes twice the power and still has 30mpg. so the ls6 is larger and gets the same mileage, therefor ls6 is more efficient.
Put a .56 stick overdrive gear on that motor and see what kind of milage it would get.... LOL. Oh wait... it probably wouldn't move.

540Malibu
12-14-2003, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by H3llphyre
Put a .56 stick overdrive gear on that motor and see what kind of milage it would get.... LOL. Oh wait... it probably wouldn't move.

no, this would drop the motor down in rpm so say the ls6 spins 1600rpm at 70, the mazda would spin 3200 to equal the displacement/rpm.