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H3llphyre
10-22-2003, 01:00 PM
GM small block gets three-valve head General Motors has proved the value of modern overhead valve (OHV) engine design with its Generation III small-block V8 engines, and the forthcoming
Generation IV engines will continue to advance the architecture once considered obsolete. But GM Powertrain recognizes the inherent handicaps of a two-valve per cylinder head design that is typical in OHV engines. To further extend the life of the
Generation IV V8 and its revised High Value V6 engines, the company has devised a three-valve head design to work with these pushrod engines. Adding a second intake valve
improves intake air flow, which provides some value, but perhaps more importantly the design relocates the exhaust valve and the spark plug within the combustion chamber. The exhaust valve
moves from alongside the intake valve to the other side of the cylinder, so less exhaust heat transfers to the intake port.
The resulting cooler intake charge boosts power and efficiency.
Positioning intake and exhaust valves on opposite sides of the combustion chamber leaves space in the center for the spark plug, which improves combustion efficiency. Together, these improvements boost power output by 10-15%, according to the company.

The three-valve engine has the intake valves in a straight line, operating them with a forked rocker arm off a conventional rocker shaft. Because the exhaust valve is on the other side of the spark plug and is not mounted in the same plane as the intakes, some ingenuity was needed to enable the engine to operate that valve using the same block-mounted camshaft arrangement used in two-valve engines. The solution is a pair of rocker arms. One mounts on the rocker shaft where the exhaust rocker arm would be on a two-valve engine. Instead of acting on the valve, however, the first rocker pushes on a short, nearly horizontal
pushrod that runs across the head to a freestanding stud-mounted rocker arm. This second rocker arm pivots the movement into the right direction for the exhaust valve. The three-valve heads are about 1 in (25 mm) wider than the two-valve heads, but they maintain the low profile that is an advantage of OHV engines. The new heads will work with the displacement-on-demand (DOD) cylinder-deactivation system that will arrive on the two-valve Generation IV engine and High Value V6 for even better fuel economy. ”The three-valve design adds complexity but uses the type of components with which GM is very familiar, so reliability shouldn’t be a problem,” said Frederick Rozario, Development Engineer, Advanced Powertrain at GM. “And while the added mass in the valvetrain might seem to be an obstacle to high rpm operation, the Corvette engine will rev to 7000 rpm with a 30% margin of safety. It can go to 8000 rpm safely,” he added. A special jig will hold the parts together so the whole valve actuation assembly can be installed as a unit on the head. “A weakness of single camshaft engines is the inability to separate intake-cam timing from exhaust-cam timing for
maximum efficiency and minimal emissions. But a cam phaser that adjusts the advance or retard of even a single cam, depending on conditions, is still very valuable,” Rozario said. “The cam phaser on this engine provides 80% of the benefit of a system with separate intake and exhaust phasers.” The phaser mounts under the water pump in the traditional timing chain location, so it does not require any additional space underhood. The water pump is new too, because the higher-output engine increases the demand for cooling. The 6.3-L version of the engine will produce 500 hp (373 kW), for example. So the new pump produces twice the 80 gal/min (300 L/min) of coolant provided by the two-valve engine’s water pump. The DOD system and cam phaser increase the demand for oil pressure, so both the V8 and V6 engines get improved oil pumps. The V8’s is a two-phase oil pump, switching between high and low flow as needed to maintain the necessary oil pressure without suffering excessive parasitic losses when lower pressure is sufficient. The V6 is even more efficient, with a variable displacement oil pump that continuously adjusts its output for maximum efficiency. The engines also feature optimized exhaust manifolds with equal flow runners for each cylinder.


Taken from: www.sae.org (http://www.sae.org/automag/techbriefs/09-2003/1-111-9-26.pdf)

Feral
10-22-2003, 03:19 PM
Well now hopefully this will really catch on. While DOHC will always be more efficient (more cams = better intake/exhaust profiles) most of its natural advantage comes in the form of simply more flow. With the introduction of a 3rd valve this advantage will be largely nullified and this will close some of the performance gap.

I am still holding out for 4 valves ... hehe ...

H3llphyre
10-22-2003, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by Feral
Well now hopefully this will really catch on. While DOHC will always be more efficient (more cams = better intake/exhaust profiles) most of its natural advantage comes in the form of simply more flow. With the introduction of a 3rd valve this advantage will be largely nullified and this will close some of the performance gap.

I am still holding out for 4 valves ... hehe ...

It's been done... Arao Performance did it. Did they do it right? I dunno, there are VERY few cars with these heads on them. Either way, yeah, I am glad to see GM coming up with innovative ways to work with the SBC. its too bad they had to up the displacement to 6.3L though.

Feral
10-22-2003, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by H3llphyre
It's been done... Arao Performance did it. Did they do it right? I dunno, there are VERY few cars with these heads on them. Either way, yeah, I am glad to see GM coming up with innovative ways to work with the SBC. its too bad they had to up the displacement to 6.3L though.

Yeah I know about arao ... I showed you that website damnit!! Regardless no on has ever used them other than the website owners ... apparently their customer service sucks and you need some rather custom parts to implement the things.

H3llphyre
10-22-2003, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by Feral
Yeah I know about arao ... I showed you that website damnit!! Regardless no on has ever used them other than the website owners ... apparently their customer service sucks and you need some rather custom parts to implement the things.

Actually, I saw a site recently with a magazine that tested a shitload of heads for SBCs against eachother. With the arao heads, they were able to make like 640hp (crank). This was about 50hp more then any other heads. This test also pinned ported versions of all the different heads too. The arao heads couldnt be ported... They are maxed out. A neat design, I just don't think their heads will last very many miles... not that a 640hp SBC is very streetable anyway.

540Malibu
10-22-2003, 06:41 PM
anything more than 2 valves on a chevy small block is useless, i doubt these 3 valve heads would even come close to flowing the same as even a "small" set of aftermarket heads.

540Malibu
10-22-2003, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by H3llphyre
Actually, I saw a site recently with a magazine that tested a shitload of heads for SBCs against eachother. With the arao heads, they were able to make like 640hp (crank). This was about 50hp more then any other heads. This test also pinned ported versions of all the different heads too. The arao heads couldnt be ported... They are maxed out. A neat design, I just don't think their heads will last very many miles... not that a 640hp SBC is very streetable anyway.

i beg to differ. This test was definately rigged, how many of these do you see at the race track...none, thats becasue they dont perform.

540Malibu
10-22-2003, 06:48 PM
also i can guarantee the water pump does not flow 80gpm

H3llphyre
10-22-2003, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by 540Malibu
i beg to differ. This test was definately rigged, how many of these do you see at the race track...none, thats becasue they dont perform.
This was an engine dyno... not a chassis dyno. Either way, there is a good reason no one uses these heads. THe first being, it requires too many "custom" parts that no one has bothered to fuck with other then the company that makes em. The other is, they were having MASSIVE reliability issues with the head. The engines weren't last more then a few hundred miles. You must understand, these are streetable heads. Of course, streetable is a personal preference I suppose.

H3llphyre
10-22-2003, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by 540Malibu
anything more than 2 valves on a chevy small block is useless, i doubt these 3 valve heads would even come close to flowing the same as even a "small" set of aftermarket heads.

Not really sure. It may be a little more street friendly though.

Blackwidow
10-26-2003, 07:20 PM
MmMmMm 24v for the corvette

however .. i think they were in the right direction with the 32v ZR-1

grygst76
10-31-2003, 07:38 AM
Volkswagon uses the three valve design in those little ass GTi's. Seems like a good idea, although I would hate to have to port and polish the head or attempt to increase the valve size.:eh:
I think what chevy should do is make the exhaust more efficient since they have all suffered with that for years. Obviously if you can get the exhaust out quicker everything else will fall into place, maybe 2 exhaust valves??

ThaSac (MicZic)
10-31-2003, 12:05 PM
2 intake and 2 exhaust valves= when they bother to make it DOHC

Zach