Spy pics of new Mustang engine [Archive]

BobFitz82

12-08-2003, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by GT200MPH
FUCKING JUNK........i wish they would stop dicking with these junk desighns....they should put the current 03 cobra motor in all the new GTs and take the motor from the new "FORD GT" and put that in the future cobras.
its the same thing GM is doing, ya it sounds like a good idea and all and they'll do that to thier concept cars and say "ya we're doing this...." then make a U-turn and do the complete opposite

Element

12-08-2003, 04:43 PM

It's still pure speculation...but rumors say good sorces link to this engine.

It's designed REALLY similiar to the ls1 it appears.

BobFitz82

12-08-2003, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by Element
It's still pure speculation...but rumors say good sorces link to this engine.

It's designed REALLY similiar to the ls1 it appears.
but will be nowhere near as good...:smokin:

TunedPort 335

12-08-2003, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by Element
It's still pure speculation...but rumors say good sorces link to this engine.

It's designed REALLY similiar to the ls1 it appears.

Glad to see Ford designing their motors after a real motor :hmm: :O

LOL j/k. But yeah It definitely does look similar, even the way the intake is shaped...with the runners going in the same direction and everything. Although I'm not so sure why everyone is doing these plastic intakes lately :no:

WETDRM

12-08-2003, 05:02 PM

they should put the current 03 cobra motor in all the new GTs and take the motor from the new "FORD GT" and put that in the future cobras.

Brad S

12-08-2003, 05:05 PM

Even if they did use 2003 cobra motors in the new GT's they would still all be slow POS's. Ford is going down, I dont know why they even bother coming out with new stuff.

Grey Poupon

12-08-2003, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by GT200MPH
they should put the current 03 cobra motor in all the new GTs and take the motor from the new "FORD GT" and put that in the future cobras.

You still wouldn't buy one...well not untill it was at least 8-10 years old

-N

WETDRM

12-08-2003, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by Grey Poupon
You still wouldn't buy one...well not untill it was at least 8-10 years old

-N

and how the fuck would you know......yeah i preffer older cars but if they came out with a 500 horse cobra i might be tempted.

Grey Poupon

12-08-2003, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by GT200MPH
and how the fuck would you know......yeah i preffer older cars but if they came out with a 500 horse cobra i might be tempted.

You may be tempted, but you wouldn't buy it ;)

-N

WETDRM

12-08-2003, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by Grey Poupon
You may be tempted, but you wouldn't buy it ;)

-N

no your right i probably wouldnt....i think spending 30 or 40+ thousand for a car is retarded.

Feral

12-08-2003, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by GT200MPH
no your right i probably wouldnt....i think spending 30 or 40+ thousand for a car is retarded. As do I ... but it's a Ford ... it'll lose value pretty fast and in 5 years you could probably get on for under $10k ... not bad at all ... assuming the car lasts that long.

Element

12-08-2003, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by Feral
As do I ... but it's a Ford ... it'll lose value pretty fast and in 5 years you could probably get on for under $10k ... not bad at all ... assuming the car lasts that long.

Domestic car's are upping their quality starting this year though. GM, Chrysler, Ford, Buick etc...are all pissed that the imports are taking over.

Their teaming up and rolling off all new lines of cars coming soon with high quality interiors and everything...and offering them at a VERY low price for the first couple model years.

03COBRABOY

12-08-2003, 07:00 PM

throttle by wire sucks!!! hard ot make aftermarket tb's...so ive heard..:eh:

DevaROH

12-08-2003, 07:09 PM

thats neet! :eh: oh well, i agree with don, get rid of this modular bullshit, and bring back the 5.0. or do the '03 cobra motor in the gt's and all that other shit he said.

Element

12-08-2003, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by 95stang50
thats neet! :eh: oh well, i agree with don, get rid of this modular bullshit, and bring back the 5.0. or do the '03 cobra motor in the gt's and all that other shit he said.

They can't offer the GT too powerful :eh:

They are "suspossed" to have a Mach, Fastback and Boss version of the new Mustang eventually...maybe the engines in these might make something like 400 HP N/A :eh:

I'm waiting to see the '06 Cobra...I guess Carol Shelby is making it. :worship2:

WETDRM

12-08-2003, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by Element
They can't offer the GT too powerful :eh:

They are "suspossed" to have a Mach, Fastback and Boss version of the new Mustang eventually...maybe the engines in these might make something like 400 HP N/A :eh:

I'm waiting to see the '06 Cobra...I guess Carol Shelby is making it. :worship2:

and why not....the current mach1 only has a few horse over a stock gt any way...so if you put the 03 cobra motor in the new gts you just offer the boss or mach 1 with a better flowing exhaust or a smaller blower pully.

Mr Joshua

12-08-2003, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by GT200MPH
FUCKING JUNK........i wish they would stop dicking with these junk desighns....they should put the current 03 cobra motor in all the new GTs and take the motor from the new "FORD GT" and put that in the future cobras.
actually they have a new 5.4L 3v in aussie land, putting down some decent #'s, and they already put a 5.4L 4v in a mustang... 2000 Cobra R.. 300 limited edition...
and i'd take anything blue oval news says with a grain of salt...
~J

WETDRM

12-08-2003, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by Black99Cobra
actually they have a new 5.4L 3v in aussie land, putting down some decent #'s, and they already put a 5.4L 4v in a mustang... 2000 Cobra R.. 300 limited edition...
and i'd take anything blue oval news says with a grain of salt...
~J

yeah but im sick of this limited production crap....and who gives a fuck about australia.....im talking about two engines ford already has in production in the states.with the right descision ford could own the domestic horse wars in the cobra and put the basic gt in the running with a few mods also.

Feral

12-08-2003, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by GT200MPH
yeah but im sick of this limited production crap....and who gives a fuck about australia.....im talking about two engines ford already has in production in the states.with the right descision ford could own the domestic horse wars in the cobra and put the basic gt in the running with a few mods also.

Um Don ... pay attention ... Ford already HAS won the domestic wars. What is there left to compete with the Mustang ... the Cavalier? The V6 mustang is still faster than the Z24 Cavvy ... so right now Ford owns all. It is up to GM to up the ante right now ... or even ante anything up (now I am just waiting for the GM fanboys to pipe in with their bullshit ... fact is there is nothing in GMland for '03 or '04). Ford has the fastest trucks and the fastest muscle cars end of story. GM still has the Vette but that ain't no muscle car. Muscle cars can't turn ... and they don't cost $50k

WETDRM

12-08-2003, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by Feral
Um Don ... pay attention ... Ford already HAS won the domestic wars. What is there left to compete with the Mustang ... the Cavalier? The V6 mustang is still faster than the Z24 Cavvy ... so right now Ford owns all. It is up to GM to up the ante right now ... or even ante anything up (now I am just waiting for the GM fanboys to pipe in with their bullshit ... fact is there is nothing in GMland for '03 or '04). Ford has the fastest trucks and the fastest muscle cars end of story. GM still has the Vette but that ain't no muscle car. Muscle cars can't turn ... and they don't cost $50k

yeah but i ment the vette too....there so close and the have the capability to out power the "all mighty corvette" with a lowly mustang.i just wish they would step up and put GM in the grave once and for all:)

540Malibu

12-08-2003, 10:45 PM

v6 mustangs aint coming anywhere close to Impala SS's so do some more research kurtis, GM has always tended to its aftermarket first and foremost. Where is fords motor to match the 572?

Fact is, fords current mustang is 25 years old, with different bandaids put on to make improvements over the original flaws, which just ended up making it worse.

WETDRM

12-08-2003, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by 540Malibu
v6 mustangs aint coming anywhere close to Impala SS's so do some more research kurtis, GM has always tended to its aftermarket first and foremost. Where is fords motor to match the 572?

Fact is, fords current mustang is 25 years old, with different bandaids put on to make improvements over the original flaws, which just ended up making it worse.

well first of all ford has had the 514 crate motor for 6 years now,chevy just started to sell the 572 so blah....and as far as your second comment....just sounds like bias bullshit to me.

03COBRABOY

12-08-2003, 11:01 PM

i heard the BOSS stang will be a V10.....

WETDRM

12-08-2003, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by Badass99RT
i heard the BOSS stang will be a V10.....

negative.......ford has stlli not worked out the bugs with the V-10 they say "probably will never see a production mustang chasis"even though they have a prototype that needs two seperate ignitions to run currently in a mustang....but ide guess that motor is a good 4/5 years off.

03COBRABOY

12-08-2003, 11:11 PM

cant be that hard...there is one in the new mag. 5.0 of MMFF

03COBRABOY

12-08-2003, 11:17 PM

let me show ya...Motor Trend article (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0308_amv8_boss/)

WETDRM

12-08-2003, 11:47 PM

thats one of the articles i was refering to...its in car and driver also...and in both full articles it says the car will never be put into production.

540Malibu

12-08-2003, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by GT200MPH
well first of all ford has had the 514 crate motor for 6 years now,chevy just started to sell the 572 so blah....and as far as your second comment....just sounds like bias bullshit to me.

bullshit? the entire suspension design of the mustang is the same now as in 1979, only thing the have done is added IRS to the lineup which is a MAJOR set back in performance because its weak. The mustang IRS is only a gimmick to sell more, just liek the 4 wheel steering in the silverado.

ford 514 is a boat anchor, only good for growing flowers out of the bores and usign the heads to hold down cheesecloth to protect the blueberrys. GM has the DRCE block, all aluminum bowtie blocks, complete prostock engines can be built out of the GMPP catalog, Turbo kits, S/C Kits Head and cam packages the LT5 the SB2 and SB2.2, raised cam blocks spread port heads, 18 degree heads 14 degree heads. etc etc.

WETDRM

12-08-2003, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by 540Malibu

ford 514 is a boat anchor, only good for growing flowers out of the bores and usign the heads to hold down cheesecloth to protect the blueberrys. GM has the DRCE block, all aluminum bowtie blocks, complete prostock engines can be built out of the GMPP catalog, Turbo kits, S/C Kits Head and cam packages the LT5 the SB2 and SB2.2, raised cam blocks spread port heads, 18 degree heads 14 degree heads. etc etc.

and whats your point?the 514 makes 630 horse and is a very mild motor for what it could be,and its only $6,900.....how much is GMs 572......yeah i thought so....and as far as all the race parts..have you ever looked at an FRPP catalog?Gm is not the only one that sells sick ass race parts.

Brad S

12-09-2003, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by 540Malibu
v6 mustangs aint coming anywhere close to Impala SS's so do some more research kurtis, GM has always tended to its aftermarket first and foremost. Where is fords motor to match the 572?

Fact is, fords current mustang is 25 years old, with different bandaids put on to make improvements over the original flaws, which just ended up making it worse.

No but the Marauder would own it. Thats the Impala SS's ford competition, and the SS isnt even close.

And explain to me how an 03 GT or 03 cobra is worse off than 25 years ago? Didnt these cars put the camaro to bed, oh yeah, "YES."

WETDRM

12-09-2003, 12:08 AM

oh yeah not to mention that the 572 is a limited production crate motor....Gm only plans to make between 800/1000 between the two horsepower options.

H3llphyre

12-09-2003, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by Brad S
No but the Marauder would own it. Thats the Impala SS's ford competition, and the SS isnt even close.

And explain to me how an 03 GT or 03 cobra is worse off than 25 years ago? Didnt these cars put the camaro to bed, oh yeah, "YES."

Actually, I believe a brand new Imp would be a damn close match for the marauder... Probably even beat it. And it hasnt been around since 96.

The cobra didnt put the f-body to its deathbed... The trans-am sold EXTREMELY well, and the maro didn't as well after they change the body style. It was a little TOO much car for most people. The problem the maro had was that it either had too much power or too little. The 3800 series was a turd motor for a maro and the LS1 was a LOT of motor for a car intended for a younger audience. You know what REALLY killed the maro? Hondas. Insurance on hondas is CHEAP (because they are slow) compared to the maro (highest insurance rated car EVER). Until the cobra, ford hadn't had a stang that could keep up with the f-bodies since the fox-body. The fact that a ford's BEST stang ran 14's was silly... The cobra fixed that (best car for the money right now).

As for putting the cobra motor in the GT... It will NEVER happen. Thats WAY too much a.) power and b.) money for a mustang. Ford would lose its cash cow by doing that. The fact is, a 2V N/A 4.6 is MUCH cheaper to make then a 4V Blown 4.6... and, putting the 5.4L alum blown V8 into the cobra will probably not happen any time soon. Its the whole GM vette thing... They can't have a stang with the same motor as their $150,000 car. Not until the GT has a better motor.

The fact is, since the 90's, ford has been playing catchup with GM. Their truck engines sucked, their car engines sucked, for the most part. Now, Ford finally has options that compete with GM. I see this as a good thing. It means better products due to competition.

Brad S

12-09-2003, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by H3llphyre
Actually, I believe a brand new Imp would be a damn close match for the marauder... Probably even beat it. And it hasnt been around since 96.

The cobra didnt put the f-body to its deathbed... The trans-am sold EXTREMELY well, and the maro didn't as well after they change the body style. It was a little TOO much car for most people. The problem the maro had was that it either had too much power or too little. The 3800 series was a turd motor for a maro and the LS1 was a LOT of motor for a car intended for a younger audience. You know what REALLY killed the maro? Hondas. Insurance on hondas is CHEAP (because they are slow) compared to the maro (highest insurance rated car EVER). Until the cobra, ford hadn't had a stang that could keep up with the f-bodies since the fox-body. The fact that a ford's BEST stang ran 14's was silly... The cobra fixed that (best car for the money right now).

As for putting the cobra motor in the GT... It will NEVER happen. Thats WAY too much a.) power and b.) money for a mustang. Ford would lose its cash cow by doing that. The fact is, a 2V N/A 4.6 is MUCH cheaper to make then a 4V Blown 4.6... and, putting the 5.4L alum blown V8 into the cobra will probably not happen any time soon. Its the whole GM vette thing... They can't have a stang with the same motor as their $150,000 car. Not until the GT has a better motor.

The fact is, since the 90's, ford has been playing catchup with GM. Their truck engines sucked, their car engines sucked, for the most part. Now, Ford finally has options that compete with GM. I see this as a good thing. It means better products due to competition.

Stang sales put the F-body to bed. Its not a question of what car is really better, its what car sold better, and GM just couldnt compete. The LS1 was always better than what ford had to offer, until 2003. Its not a question of performance, its a question of sales, and the stang dominates sales. GM will come back to the table soon enough I'm sure.

Blackwidow

12-09-2003, 01:02 AM

Camaro was put to rest due to plummeting sales and EXTREME insurance prices .. Nothing put it to bed .. no competition issues .. they just retired the line .. FOR THE TIME BEING .. think of it as camaro's time off .. similar to 1983 for the corvette

CORVETTE > MUSTANG .. always has .. always will be .. compare all you want .. Mustang was made to compete with Camaro ..

Enough with the stupid battle of fan-boys .. THANK YOU Curtis .. christ .. :blush:

Brad S

12-09-2003, 01:12 AM

Originally posted by Lil RedCorvette
Camaro was put to rest due to plummeting sales and EXTREME insurance prices .. Nothing put it to bed .. no competition issues .. they just retired the line .. FOR THE TIME BEING .. think of it as camaro's time off .. similar to 1983 for the corvette

CORVETTE > MUSTANG .. always has .. always will be .. compare all you want .. Mustang was made to compete with Camaro ..

Enough with the stupid battle of fan-boys .. THANK YOU Curtis .. christ .. :blush:

The problem is without the camaro the cobra is being compaired to the vette, and the vette is losing.:lame:

Poor camaro sales, high mustang sales, coincidence they put the camaro to bed, i think not.

Blackwidow

12-09-2003, 01:15 AM

Id continue the conversation further .. but seeing you shit blue ovals .. ill just finish it with a ....

FUCK YOU FUCKER

or a .. oh ya .. vettes dont rust

H3llphyre

12-09-2003, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by Brad S
The problem is without the camaro the cobra is being compaired to the vette, and the vette is losing.:lame:

Poor camaro sales, high mustang sales, coincidence they put the camaro to bed, i think not.

Um, how is the vette losing? Because it is SLIGHTLY slower in the 1/4 or because it can outhandle a cobra in any conditions?

The vette is a MUCH more refined vehicle then the cobra, hence not really being a muscle car. The cobra is. I have a funny feeling the vette will NEVER lose to the cobra. GM just won't have it, hence coming out with the 500+hp Z... Now, a 2000 Cobra R is a different story all together, but that was a limited production vehicle.

Brad S

12-09-2003, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by H3llphyre
Um, how is the vette losing? Because it is SLIGHTLY slower in the 1/4 or because it can outhandle a cobra in any conditions?

The vette is a MUCH more refined vehicle then the cobra, hence not really being a muscle car. The cobra is. I have a funny feeling the vette will NEVER lose to the cobra. GM just won't have it, hence coming out with the 500+hp Z... Now, a 2000 Cobra R is a different story all together, but that was a limited production vehicle.

I agree, but the 2000R is slower than the 03 on all fronts.

I just say vettes losing because it gets kenne all fired up.

Blackwidow

12-09-2003, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by Brad S

I just say vettes losing because it gets kenne all fired up.

DAMN YOU SWERLING

YOU'LL PAY FOR THIS

WETDRM

12-09-2003, 01:37 AM

H3llphyre

12-09-2003, 01:37 AM

Originally posted by Brad S
I agree, but the 2000R is slower than the 03 on all fronts.

I just say vettes losing because it gets kenne all fired up.

Except when there are turns involved....

Oh, okay. Thats aceptable.

Blackwidow

12-09-2003, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by GT200MPH
well the 83 corvette didnt come out because the desighn wasnt ready yet...the 84 vette was intended for 83

WRONG SIR!
production in '83 was cancelled because GM needed more time to fabricate the tools and machinery needed to produce the C4 .. Such an altered design in body chassis AND engine required more time .. it was a fucking analogy you box-driving bald headed motherless FUCK

WETDRM

12-09-2003, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by Lil RedCorvette
WRONG SIR!
production in '83 was cancelled because GM needed more time to fabricate the tools and machinery needed to produce the C4 .. Such an altered design in body chassis AND engine required more time .. it was a fucking analogy you box-driving bald headed motherless FUCK

isnt that basicaly what i said...the desighn (desighn run ) wasnt ready...dont forget i may be a ford boy now ,but i grew up rebuilding those fiberglass peice of shits.

bottledbird68

12-09-2003, 02:37 AM

Ok, this just needs to be done to really get you guys going. Anybody read the latest issue of hotrod? How'd your beloved Cobra fare against the WRX STi?? Yeah, off the showroom floor vs. off the showroom floor STi was a tenth faster in the quarter and 2 seconds faster on the roadcourse. Biggest and baddest mustang taken down by a four door car with four cylinders :D http://www.inegma.net/mb/html/emoticons/firedevil.gif

Brad S

12-09-2003, 03:20 AM

Originally posted by H3llphyre
Except when there are turns involved....

Oh, okay. Thats aceptable.

same suspension and less power. I think the brakes might be a little bigger though.. the car is also a little lighter.. its slightly faster, but not 60k faster.

H3llphyre

12-09-2003, 03:24 AM

Originally posted by Brad S
same suspension and less power. I think the brakes might be a little bigger though.. the car is also a little lighter.. its slightly faster, but not 60k faster.

Better suspension, not much less power, brakes ARE bigger a LOT lighter... In the twisties, its a LOT faster then a cobra. Its NOT a drag car, so the 1/4 doesnt matter much. Its still fast either way.

Brad S

12-09-2003, 03:34 AM

Originally posted by H3llphyre
Better suspension, not much less power, brakes ARE bigger a LOT lighter... In the twisties, its a LOT faster then a cobra. Its NOT a drag car, so the 1/4 doesnt matter much. Its still fast either way.

I think its the same suspension. I'm sure a few parts are slightly different like the springs. But its the same thing. I know the 03 has a more built IRS. The fact that its gutted has alot to do with it, but its not, ALOT faster, its slightly faster stock for stock. No question, the R is a mighty beast, but then again, its not a z06 killer either I dont think.

Either way 5.0 just did a head to head test. 03 vs 00r and the 03 was a little slower on all fronts.. although they did all their testing in a parking lot, so how good of a test is it, prob not the best, but whatever.

I hate ford, chevy for life.

H3llphyre

12-09-2003, 03:53 AM

Originally posted by Brad S
I think its the same suspension. I'm sure a few parts are slightly different like the springs. But its the same thing. I know the 03 has a more built IRS. The fact that its gutted has alot to do with it, but its not, ALOT faster, its slightly faster stock for stock. No question, the R is a mighty beast, but then again, its not a z06 killer either I dont think.

Either way 5.0 just did a head to head test. 03 vs 00r and the 03 was a little slower on all fronts.. although they did all their testing in a parking lot, so how good of a test is it, prob not the best, but whatever.

I hate ford, chevy for life.

The car and driver article pinning the 00 R vs the viper and vette pinned the 00 R as just as, if not BETTER then the other two, especially on a road course. The new Cobra can't really have that said about it. Parking lots don't count either. Put it on a track, where it belongs. It is a street legal race car, no arguements about that.

bottledbird68

12-09-2003, 04:00 AM

Originally posted by Brad S
I hate ford, chevy for life. http://www.adriancomputers.com/OT/camarolover.JPG

Feral

12-09-2003, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by 540Malibu
Fact is, fords current mustang is 25 years old, with different bandaids put on to make improvements over the original flaws, which just ended up making it worse.

I had forgotten this little piece of trivia but it is the unfortunate truth. The Mustang has not changed its undercarriage design in ages and this is a shame. The next generation F-body will hopefully put some work into the body and stiffen up the frame, improve the suspension, and lighten it up. Then again that's a lot to ask so I wont hold my breath.

Jay is right ... Honda killed the F-body. The F-body was always marketted to young guys (how many 30-40 year olds do you find in new F-bodies) and the fact is the Hondas are cheaper to buy and cheaper to insure and feel pretty quick (despite being horrendously slow). The only LS1 F-body that sold well was the WS6 and the Firehawk ... but those statistics are skewed it very well could just be that they had such limited production runs.

The Mustang did well because it has always been a chick car ... or at least the drop tops and the V6's. I think something close to 8/10 V6 mustangs are owned by girls and 7/10 drop top mustangs are owned by girls. Sure you'll find most of the GT's and the Cobras are male owned but Ford sold a shitload more base models than anything else and this is how they made their money. By Y2K I Mustangs were outselling F-bodies 5:1 even though the LS1 was about half a second faster than the '99 Cobra.

Ford simply had a better business model. Make your money with the low end cars (V6's). Appeal to your enthusiasts with the high end cars (GT/Cobra). GM probably sold more Z28's than they did v6's and this fucked them over since the V6 should have been the volume seller and it wasn't.

And comparing a Cobra to a vette :lol: :lol: :lol:
The ZO6 is an american NSX with more balls ... the Cobra is an overweight muscle car with IRS ... no comparison.

As for the STi ... no surprise ... those little rally cars are sick on the road course ... they pull 71mph through the slalom ... a cobra pulls 66mph. In the 1/4 ... well it's no surprise the STi wins ... It can consistently run low 13's@103 ... the cobra stock can consistently run high 14's@110. :lol:

Brad S

12-09-2003, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by bottledbird68
http://www.adriancomputers.com/OT/camarolover.JPG

BAM, thats what I'm talking about.

FATBLOCKMARO

12-09-2003, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by bottledbird68
http://www.adriancomputers.com/OT/camarolover.JPG

OHH MY GOD I ALMOST FORGOT ABOUT THAT .....:lol: :lol: :lol:

Mr Joshua

12-09-2003, 12:29 PM

it's an argument no one will ever win, compairing compacts to pony cars, and pony cars to sports cars, etc.....
at least compair apples to apples, and compairing the 99 cobra with anything is a waste of time, the 99 is the bastard child of SVT.. with all the recalls on this thing... it's a shame... if your going to compair an n/a recent cobra, use the 01... and 3 major changes to one production run in 3 years... i mean come on... it's bullshit on fords part... the 03 is the best cobra to come out in the new mustang body style, bar none... the IRS isn't necisarily a gimmic, it's suited to auto-X. not everone lives life a 1/4' in a strait line...
and it's ford mistake, especially by the bean counters, that they're using basically a modified fairmont chassie...
there will always be things about chevy and ford that are good
but as far as one being better than the other... it's all a matter of personal taste..
~J

Brad S

12-09-2003, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by Black99Cobra
it's an argument no one will ever win, compairing compacts to pony cars, and pony cars to sports cars, etc.....
at least compair apples to apples, and compairing the 99 cobra with anything is a waste of time, the 99 is the bastard child of SVT.. with all the recalls on this thing... it's a shame... if your going to compair an n/a recent cobra, use the 01... and 3 major changes to one production run in 3 years... i mean come on... it's bullshit on fords part... the 03 is the best cobra to come out in the new mustang body style, bar none... the IRS isn't necisarily a gimmic, it's suited to auto-X. not everone lives life a 1/4' in a strait line...
and it's ford mistake, especially by the bean counters, that they're using basically a modified fairmont chassie...
there will always be things about chevy and ford that are good
but as far as one being better than the other... it's all a matter of personal taste..
~J

The 99 wasnt that bad, the factory fix was something simple that put it right back on par. It was something about the headers I think, I know blueoval news has all the details on it.

Mr Joshua

12-09-2003, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by Brad S
The 99 wasnt that bad, the factory fix was something simple that put it right back on par. It was something about the headers I think, I know blueoval news has all the details on it.
wasn't bad??? my ass!!! Lower intake being extruded and honed, or acid dipped, pcm reflash, new tensioner, a new cat-back/mufflers to fix the exhaust restriction... and some of the cars putting roughly 280 to the crank pre fixxed... not to mention 1st year of a new motor design, using C.O.P's, first year of the IRS which uses 28 spline half shafts, changed to a 31 spline for 01/03, using a weak ass t-45 tranny, switched to the 3550 which is slightly better... need i go on?
check my dyno sheet, thats with a CAI, mail order chip, and a MAF tuning setup... i know of some 01's putting down the same #'s stock..
~J

12-09-2003, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by bottledbird68
Ok, this just needs to be done to really get you guys going. Anybody read the latest issue of hotrod? How'd your beloved Cobra fare against the WRX STi?? Yeah, off the showroom floor vs. off the showroom floor STi was a tenth faster in the quarter and 2 seconds faster on the roadcourse. Biggest and baddest mustang taken down by a four door car with four cylinders :D http://www.inegma.net/mb/html/emoticons/firedevil.gif

you mean this one?
http://webpages.charter.net/sdumont5/usa%20vs%20japan2.JPG

12-09-2003, 02:50 PM

Damn can't see shit!!! Oh well!! you get the idea

Brad S

12-09-2003, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by Black99Cobra
wasn't bad??? my ass!!! Lower intake being extruded and honed, or acid dipped, pcm reflash, new tensioner, a new cat-back/mufflers to fix the exhaust restriction... and some of the cars putting roughly 280 to the crank pre fixxed... not to mention 1st year of a new motor design, using C.O.P's, first year of the IRS which uses 28 spline half shafts, changed to a 31 spline for 01/03, using a weak ass t-45 tranny, switched to the 3550 which is slightly better... need i go on?
check my dyno sheet, thats with a CAI, mail order chip, and a MAF tuning setup... i know of some 01's putting down the same #'s stock..
~J

I didnt know it was that much... Although the dealer fix put most people on svtperformance into the 270's at the rear. Look on blue oval.

Mr Joshua

12-09-2003, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by GT200MPH
negative.......ford has stlli not worked out the bugs with the V-10 they say "probably will never see a production mustang chasis"even though they have a prototype that needs two seperate ignitions to run currently in a mustang....but ide guess that motor is a good 4/5 years off.
might you be refering to this?
http://www.autospeed.com/cms/article.html?&A=1575
~J

Mr Joshua

12-09-2003, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by Brad S
I didnt know it was that much... Although the dealer fix put most people on svtperformance into the 270's at the rear. Look on blue oval.
yup, ford... Team Mustang really botched it up...
270 is close w/ a general guestamate of 15% manual drivetrain loss.. but still falls short of the advertised 320, even if it is by 2hp.
~J

03COBRABOY

12-09-2003, 03:56 PM

put a sti and cobra on a drag strip and see what happens. mag articles suck. stock cobras run 12.6-12.9 @108-111 depending on driver, its all over the boards. i personally dont know what a sti will run but i think its low 13's.

then 5.0 compares the 03 cobra to a 00R...?? WHY? one is an all out racing car that sold for $55k and one is a semi luxury hot rod for $35k. i hate mag tests....

Blackwidow

12-09-2003, 04:04 PM

I agree .. they should have just let brad run them from a 40 roll

Feral

12-09-2003, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by Badass99RT
put a sti and cobra on a drag strip and see what happens. mag articles suck. stock cobras run 12.6-12.9 @108-111 depending on driver, its all over the boards. i personally dont know what a sti will run but i think its low 13's.

then 5.0 compares the 03 cobra to a 00R...?? WHY? one is an all out racing car that sold for $55k and one is a semi luxury hot rod for $35k. i hate mag tests....

12.6-12.9 as a best ... but how about an average. How many people can take a stock cobra and run a 12.xxx consistently for 5-10 runs?? Take an STi and you can consistently run a 13.5 or faster though. Most mags will use average times ... AWD fucking rules!! Dragstrip aside the STi murdered the cobra on the roadcourse ...

Brad S

12-09-2003, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by Lil RedCorvette
I agree .. they should have just let brad run them from a 40 roll

I like the 20 roll now better! With the 20 roll you really get to hand them their ass with the low end power, where as the 40 roll they got atleast a little bit of turbo spool going and can keep within 10 cars or so.

Brad S

12-09-2003, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by Feral
12.6-12.9 as a best ... but how about an average. How many people can take a stock cobra and run a 12.xxx consistently for 5-10 runs?? Take an STi and you can consistently run a 13.5 or faster though. Most mags will use average times ... AWD fucking rules!! Dragstrip aside the STi murdered the cobra on the roadcourse ...

Jakes scale was off a little. 12.4 as a best bone stock through 14.8 as a worst. The 14.8 was set by someone on this board, I'm not saying who though. 14.8 is a well known WORST over at SVTperformance. Either way, once you get the hang of the cobra, and yes, some drag radials, you can pull 12's on almost every run. On the stock rubber 12's is not hard if you've got a few runs under your belt..

Feral

12-09-2003, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by Brad S
I like the 20 roll now better! With the 20 roll you really get to hand them their ass with the low end power, where as the 40 roll they got atleast a little bit of turbo spool going and can keep within 10 cars or so. I bet I could keep within 10 cars or so :thumbsup:

Mr Joshua

12-09-2003, 05:02 PM

not the most accurate device in the world, but i g-teched in the high 13's, my first time racing, on the street with the cobra....
~J

Brad S

12-09-2003, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by Feral
I bet I could keep within 10 cars or so :thumbsup:

You'd get a whole lot more than that in this snow, come summer time we'll see.

Feral

12-09-2003, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by Brad S
You'd get a whole lot more than that in this snow, come summer time we'll see. awww ... how about in the rain?? Sand??

Brad S

12-09-2003, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by Feral
awww ... how about in the rain?? Sand??

In the rain you own, in the sand the BFG's kick up enough small rocks to turn your car into swiss cheese.haha

540Malibu

12-09-2003, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by Feral
awww ... how about in the rain?? Sand??

come to daytona, we'll race in teh sand....:evil: :evil:

03COBRABOY

12-09-2003, 11:19 PM

give the ocbra a set of slicks to make it even...mwahaha

Brad S

12-09-2003, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by Badass99RT
give the ocbra a set of slicks to make it even...mwahaha

Or a real motor, chevy rules.

H3llphyre

12-10-2003, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by Badass99RT
give the ocbra a set of slicks to make it even...mwahaha
If you can spend the money and put DR's on a cobra, then it is only fair to be able to dump that amount of money into an STi... I smell boost controller... LOL.

bottledbird68

12-10-2003, 03:37 AM

Originally posted by H3llphyre
If you can spend the money and put DR's on a cobra, then it is only fair to be able to dump that amount of money into an STi... I smell boost controller... LOL. And a catback, consistent 12's here you go. And it starts off four grand cheaper. Can we dump that money into it too to make things even? :D http://www.inegma.net/mb/html/emoticons/firedevil.gif

Paulie C.

12-10-2003, 01:02 PM

im a ford guy who loves to argue on fords behalf.

facts are facts though. The Vettes and F bodies Stock for Stock are better cars than the Mustang. If your the guy that will buy the car and not do much to it get the F body, if you the guy that wants bang for the buck and what easily can be made into a mosterous sick demented car, get that 87-93 fox body ford, and if ur the guy that wants to get laid get any of them in a convertible fashion. And as for the Maurder being slower than the new impala? I think not ive drove my daddy's around plenty, lil low on torque yes, but better than a 3.8 with fwd. :cheers:

and just to be an ass why change that 25 year old underside when the aftermarket has made it an awesome platform.

H3llphyre

12-10-2003, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by gaseaterbeater
im a ford guy who loves to argue on fords behalf.

facts are facts though. The Vettes and F bodies Stock for Stock are better cars than the Mustang. If your the guy that will buy the car and not do much to it get the F body, if you the guy that wants bang for the buck and what easily can be made into a mosterous sick demented car, get that 87-93 fox body ford, and if ur the guy that wants to get laid get any of them in a convertible fashion. And as for the Maurder being slower than the new impala? I think not ive drove my daddy's around plenty, lil low on torque yes, but better than a 3.8 with fwd. :cheers:

and just to be an ass why change that 25 year old underside when the aftermarket has made it an awesome platform.

Wasn't comparing the Marauder to the NEW impala... I was comparing it to the OLD impala... The 94-96 one...