Point and shoot is boring.

[bren]

...for a street car.

automatic, high stall and just let go off the brake and close your eyes, take a nap, and then your done.

I myself find some fun in banging gears at maximum rpm and perfecting the launch from optimal rpm.

Anyone feel the same?

[540Malibu]

...for a street car.

automatic, high stall and just let go off the brake and close your eyes, take a nap, and then your done.

I myself find some fun in banging gears at maximum rpm and perfecting the launch from optimal rpm.

Anyone feel the same?

if thats what you think is fun have at it, but who says you can't launch at "optimal" rpm with an auto?

[bren]

if thats what you think is fun have at it, but who says you can't launch at "optimal" rpm with an auto?

can you stall to 8000 rpms? and then feather the clutch out to control wheel spin?

[540Malibu]

can you stall to 8000 rpms? and then feather the clutch out to control wheel spin?

http://www.wintersperformance.com/catalogs/SideWinder/index29.htm

[ianfromma]

...for a street car.

automatic, high stall and just let go off the brake and close your eyes, take a nap, and then your done.

I myself find some fun in banging gears at maximum rpm and perfecting the launch from optimal rpm.

Anyone feel the same?

agreed....even though i am the sux at stick.

[TunedPort 335]

...for a street car.

automatic, high stall and just let go off the brake and close your eyes, take a nap, and then your done.

I myself find some fun in banging gears at maximum rpm and perfecting the launch from optimal rpm.

Anyone feel the same?

My 60' changed 1 tenth by stalling at a different RPM. And since I can tell this thread was directed towards me, My car > your car

And actually, it is really fun and intense driving a high stalled auto car...I love it

[malibu81]

...for a street car.

automatic, high stall and just let go off the brake and close your eyes, take a nap, and then your done.

I myself find some fun in banging gears at maximum rpm and perfecting the launch from optimal rpm.

Anyone feel the same?

1.49 60' are fun.

[Spaulding]

bren?u ever been in a fast car with an auto that was set up right?with a high stall?there very fun...i do wish my car was a stick tho and i may b just because twisty roads are much funner with a stick and then i can run really big gears and do a cam/procharger swap cheaper :ninja:

[bren]

My 60' changed 1 tenth by stalling at a different RPM. And since I can tell this thread was directed towards me, My car > your car

no i just think its zzz boring, put a t56 in your car without the slicks and try to pedal your way out of it and it will be another brad episode.

can you even drive stick?

[TunedPort 335]

no i just think its zzz boring, put a t56 in your car without the slicks and try to pedal your way out of it and it will be another brad episode.

can you even drive stick?

Yeah, I can drive stick, shit i rode a 6speed dirtbike since I was 10, and have driven plenty of stick cars. But thats besides the fact. Like spaulding said, youve never ridden in a high stalled fast auto car...so how can you just assume these things?

[wranglerkid16]

chris....ur car is pimp kid

[wranglerkid16]

my jeep is a 5speed..... :ninja:

[bren]

Yeah, I can drive stick, shit i rode a 6speed dirtbike since I was 10, and have driven plenty of stick cars. But thats besides the fact. Like spaulding said, youve never ridden in a high stalled fast auto car...so how can you just assume these things?

what is a high stall? i could get a CL type S to stall 3100 rpms? but thats like rev limiter with you :wtf1:

regardless of the high stall, the lack of shifting and just holding the wheel straight is booooring.

[Casey]

...for a street car.

automatic, high stall and just let go off the brake and close your eyes, take a nap, and then your done.

I myself find some fun in banging gears at maximum rpm and perfecting the launch from optimal rpm.

Anyone feel the same?

Personally I would rather have a slow car (mine) in a stick than a car much faster than it in an auto :ninja:

[TunedPort 335]

Bren, dont be pissed cause you said your car would "own" mine...and now you're eating your words. Tough shit. LOL I cant beleive you sometimes

Buy some of these



http://www.zworld2.com/MRSZWORLD/Supplies/KLEENEX.gif

[wranglerkid16]

Bren, dont be pissed cause you said your car would "own" mine...and now you're eating your words. Tough shit. LOL I cant beleive you sometimes

Buy some of these



http://www.zworld2.com/MRSZWORLD/Supplies/KLEENEX.gif

hahahahahahahahhahahahaha

[bren]

Bren, dont be pissed cause you said your car would "own" mine...and now you're eating your words. Tough shit. LOL I cant beleive you sometimes

Buy some of these



http://www.zworld2.com/MRSZWORLD/Supplies/KLEENEX.gif

lets go on the street bitch :whip: :worship2:

[TunedPort 335]

lets go on the street bitch :whip: :worship2:

I dont street race!!! :ninja: :ninja:

[wranglerkid16]

what if he has the hoosier on the street...

[Spaulding]

Bren, dont be pissed cause you said your car would "own" mine...and now you're eating your words. Tough shit. LOL I cant beleive you sometimes

Buy some of these



http://www.zworld2.com/MRSZWORLD/Supplies/KLEENEX.gif
hahahaha...big stalls are fun till dealerships steal them...

[bren]

what if he has the hoosier on the street...


well then ill have to "borrow" a friends UTEC for the night :whip:

[wranglerkid16]

well then ill have to "borrow" a friends UTEC for the night :whip:

not to b retarded but whats UTEC

[Spaulding]

well then ill have to "borrow" a friends UTEC for the night :whip:
u want one?my buddy bought one brand new never used needs money and want to sell fast so prolly pretty cheap

[TunedPort 335]

well then ill have to "borrow" a friends UTEC for the night :whip:


Whats the matter? You got AWD.... I thought those had mad launchin powaz!!! Guess you cant handle the 2.73 geared 1.7 sixty foots :wtf1: Hahaha jk man

[88GTAinRI]

I don't miss shifting. I do miss having a trans you can kick the shit out of and not have to worry about breaking it. Just upgraded to a 3,700 stall converter in my TTA and have been launching it from red lights. Alot of fun. It spools up good and launches hard. I hope my transmission gremlins are gone, cause the ET streets are on there way.

[bren]

u want one?my buddy bought one brand new never used needs money and want to sell fast so prolly pretty cheap

how cheap is cheap? they are like $1000 new :(

[Adam]

i myself have to agree wit my friend brendan here and say its kind alame to have a auto sports car!! and u take all of the skill ou tof drag racing.. TOO me before u leg humpers start smoshoring shit around here, if your not bangin gears and working the clutch and shifting at the same time, your not driving to me, stomping on the gas and then sitting there the whole time is very very boring and takes almost no skill at all and you know it!!! hmm what rpm do i rev at and how much to push the gas down?? that is allllll!!

stick>auto!! :sleep:

[Devin Mac]

even as the founder of the "drag racing is weak" thread, i'm gonna say that you people are frickin retarded, mainly bren and "mini-me vin diesel"...

brean, this thread is lame. you're pissed because chris's mullet-mobile is faster with an auto than your wingless ricer wet dream. he can cut a better 60ft than you with rwd, and you're trying to make yourself feel better about that by saying it's easy for him becasue its an auto. grow up and get over yourself.

and adam, until you actually drive a car that runs into the 12s, with an auto/high stall, then i don't really care to hear about your uninformed opinion statements about riding on brens cock-piece while you tongue his asshole and massage his scroat. i think you're also suffering at least a mild case of penis envy because chris's car could rape every car you've owned so far in the 1/4, and he'd make you look like a bitch comin off the tree.

hope you guys both feel better about yourselves now that we've all spoken our minds about drag racing automatic cars... poons.

[H3llphyre]

...for a street car.

automatic, high stall and just let go off the brake and close your eyes, take a nap, and then your done.

I myself find some fun in banging gears at maximum rpm and perfecting the launch from optimal rpm.

Anyone feel the same?

If I am building a drag car, I am going to set it up with the fastest equipment. If I can put an auto in the car, and go faster then a stick, I am going to do it. Set up a machine for the given task, no need to make it more difficult then it needs to be. That's just plain retarded.

"My shit is better, cuz its harder to complete the task then yours"

Stupid.

[BobFitz82]

I believe that if you like to drag race the car often I'm meaning taking it it to the track ATLEAST on average once a month and you going for quick Et's I say auto is the way to go. For normal all around cruising around and what not I prefer the stick. Thats what I'm going for in my car, dont get me wrong I'm still going to take it up to the track and I know its going to take some work getting it to launch with hoosiers or DR's but I prefer for every day driving the stick, but definatly building a car you wanna take to the track often and build it just for the 1/4 auto is where its at.

[bren]

If I am building a drag car, I am going to set it up with the fastest equipment. If I can put an auto in the car, and go faster then a stick, I am going to do it. Set up a machine for the given task, no need to make it more difficult then it needs to be. That's just plain retarded.

"My shit is better, cuz its harder to complete the task then yours"

Stupid.

street car, read -> comprehend.

[bren]

even as the founder of the "drag racing is weak" thread, i'm gonna say that you people are frickin retarded, mainly bren and "mini-me vin diesel"...

brean, this thread is lame. you're pissed because chris's mullet-mobile is faster with an auto than your wingless ricer wet dream. he can cut a better 60ft than you with rwd, and you're trying to make yourself feel better about that by saying it's easy for him becasue its an auto. grow up and get over yourself.

and adam, until you actually drive a car that runs into the 12s, with an auto/high stall, then i don't really care to hear about your uninformed opinion statements about riding on brens cock-piece while you tongue his asshole and massage his scroat. i think you're also suffering at least a mild case of penis envy because chris's car could rape every car you've owned so far in the 1/4, and he'd make you look like a bitch comin off the tree.

hope you guys both feel better about yourselves now that we've all spoken our minds about drag racing automatic cars... poons.


devin, chris brought that out of nowhere, the idea stemmed from a convo with me and nickpsi, foot -> mouth

[H3llphyre]

street car, read -> comprehend.

I did read it, and I ignored it. Its either a drag car, or it isn't. Plain and simple. Your WRX is not a drag car, its not built for it. Its a rally car, where a stick is optimal, only because super multigeared auto trannies have only started to come out. Current tech is moving towards non-hydrolic auto trannies, which will make sticks kinda pointless. There will be NO advantage anymore, other then "it's fun". Personally, I like technology doing shit for me.

And, if you don't like my arguement, I recommend you go and take all the synchros out of your tranny, cuz "Not double-clutching is for faggots and it is too easy"

[bren]

And, if you don't like my arguement, I recommend you go and take all the synchros out of your tranny, cuz "Not double-clutching is for faggots and it is too easy"

Your argument is make something harder, my argument is make something less skillful and less pleasureable.

but the way i drive, there will be no synchros soon.

i have more respect for jesse and smash0r who feather and bang their way down the track. How many times do people peer in your window and say "should of gotten a stick." Its just a way of driving. Its like y0y0y0y0 guys i got a SUPRA TT, and they are like SICK 6 spd? your like nope Auto. and sad faces all around. Even though an auto supra is a better drag racing platform.

[H3llphyre]

Your argument is make something harder, my argument is make something less skillful and less pleasureable.


Well, I think it is gay that you don't grow your own food, cuz it is less skillful...

Also, I think you should build your own radios from wires and shit, cuz it is less skillful.

Pleasure is completely subjective. Differs from person to person.

Just because something is easier, doesn't make it worse. Driving an auto tranny on a roadcourse, or rally, would be kinda silly. It doesn't afford the control of the car you need, but for a car built mainly for straight line performance (most of the cars here), it doesn't matter and makes it easier in a good way.

Now, I like to *PRETEND* I am a racecar driver in a stick car, yeah, its kinda fun, but that's really all you are doing is pretending. ANyone who claims that driving an auto is not really driving, should remove their starter from their car, and go back to cranking that bitch every time they want to start it.

And I can continue with these comparisons all day long.

[ianfromma]

yea...we're talkin about street cars here...i think a lot of people are missing that. if i were building a strictly drag car i would obviously go with an auto.

[ninjairoc]

Your argument is make something harder, my argument is make something less skillful and less pleasureable.

but the way i drive, there will be no synchros soon.

i have more respect for jesse and smash0r who feather and bang their way down the track. How many times do people peer in your window and say "should of gotten a stick." Its just a way of driving. Its like y0y0y0y0 guys i got a SUPRA TT, and they are like SICK 6 spd? your like nope Auto. and sad faces all around. Even though an auto supra is a better drag racing platform.

Most of those people that peer into your car are fucking idiots that don't know a thing about cars nor racing. So getting praise from a bunch of ricer idiots means dick.

If you were expressing your opinions with Nickpsi, why not just keep that crap in AIM or PM, whatever the hell you were doin. I see it hard to believe that it was just mere coincidence that you started this lame thread the same night that chris goes racing. :wtf3:

[H3llphyre]

yea...we're talkin about street cars here...i think a lot of people are missing that. if i were building a strictly drag car i would obviously go with an auto.

Have fun in your 14 second street car then. Who fucking cares? If I could get a 6 speed tranny, that shifted for me, in my sports car, and didn't lose mad power through retarded hydraulic operation, I would sport it. Paddle shifters even, if I thought that the car was in the wrong gear. Yeah, this shit if available now, but it is pricey. You gonna tell me that F1 cars are gay?

I miss nothing. Street technology and race technology have never been seperated that much. Typically, race tech is showcased to show that it can work, then it works its way into normal street cars.

But, overall, tis why I drive my Olds. I like comfort, I don't like feeling the road, I don't like shifting gears in traffic, I like A/C, I like good sounding music... If i were that much of a fucking masochist, I would ride a fucking horse to work.

[Devin Mac]

yea...we're talkin about street cars here...i think a lot of people are missing that. if i were building a strictly drag car i would obviously go with an auto.


i fail to see the distinction, though. every person on this board has a street car they're modifying. if you're modifying it to be better at drag racing, then i consider it a drag car. likewise for rally, likewise for roadcourse, likewise for autocross/rallycross...

so you drive it on the street, but you're still trying ot make it better at something. whatever that is, is what category i'm puttin you in.

[H3llphyre]

Most of those people that peer into your car are fucking idiots that don't know a thing about cars nor racing. So getting praise from a bunch of ricer idiots means dick.


I agree. I am impressed with the 9 second supras (autos or not) that are streetable. I don't give a fuck if they are juiced, turbod, supercharged, autos, sticks, or pedal powered... whatever. It still gets down the track fast.

[bren]

Most of those people that peer into your car are fucking idiots that don't know a thing about cars nor racing. So getting praise from a bunch of ricer idiots means dick.

If you were expressing your opinions with Nickpsi, why not just keep that crap in AIM or PM, whatever the hell you were doin. I see it hard to believe that it was just mere coincidence that you started this lame thread the same night that chris goes racing. :wtf3:

actually if you check the date it was a day or so later, and the phrase is "i find it hard..."

[ninjairoc]

One day is close enough for me.

[bren]

One day is close enough for me.

Thanks.

[Jcb890]

2.0 60's in a WRX is pitiful stick or auto.

[ianfromma]

i fail to see the distinction, though. every person on this board has a street car they're modifying. if you're modifying it to be better at drag racing, then i consider it a drag car. likewise for rally, likewise for roadcourse, likewise for autocross/rallycross...

so you drive it on the street, but you're still trying ot make it better at something. whatever that is, is what category i'm puttin you in.

i drive my car around on the street all the time, therefore its a street car. i haven't even been to the strip. i'm just saying i PREFER stick, cuz its fun to me. its all opinion obviously so i don't know why you're all getting up in arms. I don't look down on someone cuz they drive an auto cuz thats what they prefer.

[Jcb890]

i drive my car around on the street all the time, therefore its a street car. i haven't even been to the strip. i'm just saying i PREFER stick, cuz its fun to me. its all opinion obviously so i don't know why you're all getting up in arms. I don't look down on someone cuz they drive an auto cuz thats what they prefer.

he's not upset w/ u cuz u prefer it. he's upset with Bren because he thinks his 2.0 60's are sick cuz he drives stick y0.

[H3llphyre]

i drive my car around on the street all the time, therefore its a street car. i haven't even been to the strip. i'm just saying i PREFER stick, cuz its fun to me. its all opinion obviously so i don't know why you're all getting up in arms. I don't look down on someone cuz they drive an auto cuz thats what they prefer.

My Olds is a street car too. What's your point? Your opinion matters little in this arguement, because it has no bearing.

[NickPSI]

My Olds is a street car too. What's your point? Your opinion matters little in this arguement, because it has no bearing.


I am SO WAITING for Kurtis to come in and say COMFORT IS FOR THE WEAK, YOU ARE WEAK SHITSTICKS.

[ianfromma]

My Olds is a street car too. What's your point? Your opinion matters little in this arguement, because it has no bearing.

how does my opinion have no bearing?

[H3llphyre]

how does my opinion have no bearing?

Because, you don't OWN a race car, as you have NEVER raced it. SO, who gives a fuck what YOUR car does or doesn't do. It has done nothing. So, it doesn't fucking matter if it is a stick or not.

Next time, let the coat hanger snag you.

[ianfromma]

Because, you don't OWN a race car, as you have NEVER raced it. SO, who gives a fuck what YOUR car does or doesn't do. It has done nothing. So, it doesn't fucking matter if it is a stick or not.

Next time, let the coat hanger snag you.

oh i see...we're talking about street cars though :idea:

[H3llphyre]

oh i see...we're talking about street cars though :idea:

No, we are not. Bren was confusing her terminology, hence the whole basis of this arguement. He just likes driving his car like a hero.

[ianfromma]

...for a street car.

:idea:

first words in the thread

[H3llphyre]

:idea:

first words in the thread

Fine, then we shall debate who is more stupid, you or Bren. Congrats.

[TunedPort 335]

devin, chris brought that out of nowhere, the idea stemmed from a convo with me and nickpsi, foot -> mouth

Bren, its pretty obvious this thread was partly directed towards me. I'd love to see you run the times I did in my car, cause it wouldnt happen. Just cause its automatic and this/that/and the next thing, doesnt mean its easy to drag race.

Shit, I'd love to have a 6 speed...but for now I really like the high stalled automatic.

And I will go auto-xing if i ever have the chance. There's nothing wrong with point-and-shoot its just what I like doing! Different strokes for different folks dude

[Jcb890]

Fine, then we shall debate who is more stupid, you or Bren. Congrats.

my vote is that Ian wins the stupidity concert.

[Adam]

even as the founder of the "drag racing is weak" thread, i'm gonna say that you people are frickin retarded, mainly bren and "mini-me vin diesel"...

brean, this thread is lame. you're pissed because chris's mullet-mobile is faster with an auto than your wingless ricer wet dream. he can cut a better 60ft than you with rwd, and you're trying to make yourself feel better about that by saying it's easy for him becasue its an auto. grow up and get over yourself.

and adam, until you actually drive a car that runs into the 12s, with an auto/high stall, then i don't really care to hear about your uninformed opinion statements about riding on brens cock-piece while you tongue his asshole and massage his scroat. i think you're also suffering at least a mild case of penis envy because chris's car could rape every car you've owned so far in the 1/4, and he'd make you look like a bitch comin off the tree.

hope you guys both feel better about yourselves now that we've all spoken our minds about drag racing automatic cars... poons.

you dont grasp what im trying to say, i would kill to hook like he does, and i really dont care if his car is faster, i'm expressing my feelings on an auto car to a stick, and how i feel about it, TO MEE!!!!!!! like i said jackass in my thread that i belive its not a sports car if its not stick that is all...i could give 2 shits about twhat anyone else thinks about my opinion on the matter, just giving my .2 and by the way?? what car do u drive??? oh thats right u dont drive one huh??? and as far as raping me in the 1/4, we'll see abou that!! :ninja:

[TunedPort 335]

you dont grasp what im trying to say, i would kill to hook like he does, and i really dont care if his car is faster, i'm expressing my feelings on an auto car to a stick, and how i feel about it, TO MEE!!!!!!! like i said jackass in my thread that i belive its not a sports car if its not stick that is all...i could give 2 shits about twhat anyone else thinks about my opinion on the matter, just giving my .2 and by the way?? what car do u drive??? oh thats right u dont drive one huh??? and as far as raping me in the 1/4, we'll see abou that!! :ninja:

No hard feelings, you got the trap speed anyways :whip:

[H3llphyre]

you dont grasp what im trying to say, i would kill to hook like he does, and i really dont care if his car is faster, i'm expressing my feelings on an auto car to a stick, and how i feel about it, TO MEE!!!!!!! like i said jackass in my thread that i belive its not a sports car if its not stick that is all...i could give 2 shits about twhat anyone else thinks about my opinion on the matter, just giving my .2 and by the way?? what car do u drive??? oh thats right u dont drive one huh??? and as far as raping me in the 1/4, we'll see abou that!! :ninja:

Well, you are wrong then, because there are plenty of cars in the "sports car" class that are autos. Ferrari is a perfect example of NOT having a stick with their paddle shifter tranny. Are you going to say that a Ferrari isn't a sports car? Also, would you NOT consider Preston Smith's 9 second camaro a sport car? It competes in a sport (drag racing) and is VERY fast. So, are we saying that drag racing isn't a sport? Are we also saying that Formula is NOT a sport? Can we now say that snowmobiles can't be considered in any racing sport because they are CVTs and not manual smashboxes? I guess all boats are out as well, because they are one speed. Top fuel dragsters with their clutchpacks are also out, because they don't have gears. Huh, I guess we are knocking LOTS of vehicles out of the "sport" class, because to you, they aren't sports cars. Sorry, you are just plain wrong. If you had said "I don't think autos are fun" then that's an opinion. Saying they aren't sports cars is just plain WRONG. People assume that their facts are "opinion", hence not arguable, but this is just plain false. Come back when you have a more sound arguement.

Ignorance level today: +1

[H3llphyre]

No hard feelings, you got the trap speed anyways :whip:

So? Brad runs slower then you and he has a 30mph higher trap. Doesnt' matter, his car is still slower in the 1/4, which means your car is faster.

[bren]

he's not upset w/ u cuz u prefer it. he's upset with Bren because he thinks his 2.0 60's are sick cuz he drives stick y0.

jake are you retarded? when did someone say 2.0 was good, did you notice my little "owned" next to it in my sig, i think it sucks and i know it sucks. Stock wrx's cant really cut better then 1.9s stock due to limited boost in first and 2nd. Auto wrx's dont stall and could not cut a 2.0 if their life depended on it, learn about it.

[Devin Mac]

and by the way?? what car do u drive??? oh thats right u dont drive one huh???

gee, ya got me there, vin... i have never driven a car, nor do i drive one right now... furthermore, i have no drag racing experience, no autocross experience, and may not have ever even seen a real car up close and in person. i guess you win, big guy...

[Adam]

Well, you are wrong then, because there are plenty of cars in the "sports car" class that are autos. Ferrari is a perfect example of NOT having a stick with their paddle shifter tranny. Are you going to say that a Ferrari isn't a sports car? Also, would you NOT consider Preston Smith's 9 second camaro a sport car? It competes in a sport (drag racing) and is VERY fast. So, are we saying that drag racing isn't a sport? Are we also saying that Formula is NOT a sport? Can we now say that snowmobiles can't be considered in any racing sport because they are CVTs and not manual smashboxes? I guess all boats are out as well, because they are one speed. Top fuel dragsters with their clutchpacks are also out, because they don't have gears. Huh, I guess we are knocking LOTS of vehicles out of the "sport" class, because to you, they aren't sports cars. Sorry, you are just plain wrong. If you had said "I don't think autos are fun" then that's an opinion. Saying they aren't sports cars is just plain WRONG. People assume that their facts are "opinion", hence not arguable, but this is just plain false. Come back when you have a more sound arguement.

Ignorance level today: +1

dude take your head out of your ass and look where i say to me!! ok it is a sports car just not to me!!! its a sports car if it has a stick, when your in control of the gears!! plain and simple, and your right my opinion cannot be argued.. !!!

[Devin Mac]

So? Brad runs slower then you and he has a 30mph higher trap. Doesnt' matter, his car is still slower in the 1/4, which means your car is faster.


except ON ZE HIGHWAY!!!!!!

[Adam]

gee, ya got me there, vin... i have never driven a car, nor do i drive one right now... furthermore, i have no drag racing experience, no autocross experience, and may not have ever even seen a real car up close and in person. i guess you win, big guy...
OMG!

[bren]

Because, you don't OWN a race car, as you have NEVER raced it. SO, who gives a fuck what YOUR car does or doesn't do. It has done nothing. So, it doesn't fucking matter if it is a stick or not.


pot kettle or no? while being very knowledgeable in the subject of cars jay, how much seat time do you actually have? As long as BMS had been alive i beleive the stealth was curbed long before.

[Jcb890]

dude take your head out of your ass and look where i say to me!! ok it is a sports car just not to me!!! its a sports car if it has a stick, when your in control of the gears!! plain and simple, and your right my opinion cannot be argued.. !!!

adam likes to ride the stick.

[bren]

dude take your head out of your ass and look where i say to me!! ok it is a sports car just not to me!!! its a sports car if it has a stick, when your in control of the gears!! plain and simple, and your right my opinion cannot be argued.. !!!

Exactly, we both agree a real sports car experience involves a clutch and a stick. F1 paddles are cool, but your still in control of lightning fast up and downshifts, same with the SMG, but tiptronic is gay as 99% of them shift no quicker then a basic automatic stick. Something isnt fufilling about automatic and i think for a basic street car its kind of boring.

Jay and most of you know i dont take the easy way out, not everyone does a cheap DSM or a bolt on 302 with spray and builds a drag monster, I take my money and build basic sport compacts faster, its more fun to me that way and more satisfying, thats my taste which cant be argued. In your logic the easy way out is a high stall and big tire and just go. So with that logic with bodybuilding why not take steriods as its easier to get big then basic lifting?

[BobFitz82]

Chris see what happens when you a sick ass time in your car, everyone starts arguing....im loving it!!!! hehe right dev?

I can't wait till the 305 vs. 350 argument starts up again :|

[H3llphyre]

dude take your head out of your ass and look where i say to me!! ok it is a sports car just not to me!!! its a sports car if it has a stick, when your in control of the gears!! plain and simple, and your right my opinion cannot be argued.. !!!

It's not an opinion jackass, its a fact.

By the way... That large bright ball in the sky... It's god holding a lamp, but you can't argue otherwise, cuz it's my opinion.

[Jcb890]

Chris see what happens when you a sick ass time in your car, everyone starts arguing....im loving it!!!! hehe right dev?

I can't wait till the 305 vs. 350 argument starts up again :|

305 powAAA!AA!!!!!

Bob, i saw ur last run. i was like "what was he talkin bout his tranny being fucked?" then 3/4 down the track i heard the vrooom vrooom vrooom of u letting off and slammin the pedal 2 try and get it 2 shift. lol. B-fitz = :owned:

[H3llphyre]

pot kettle or no? while being very knowledgeable in the subject of cars jay, how much seat time do you actually have? As long as BMS had been alive i beleive the stealth was curbed long before.

BMS has been around for what? 1.5 years? Dude, I am no 16 year old who just got their license.

You are right though. Behind the wheel at REAL competitions, I have little to no experience, but then again, neither do you. Street night at Epping is no different then street racing, cept you get pretty lights. Either way, what does this matter? Has no bounds on what we are talking about.

In the same light, I could say that you've spent a lot of money on cars and had quite a few, but could never quite get one into the 13's... But, that isn't important to me, so I don't say such things.

[Jcb890]

It's not an opinion jackass, its a fact.

By the way... That large bright ball in the sky... It's god holding a lamp, but you can't argue otherwise, cuz it's my opinion.

and last time i checked, they make Cobras and Vettes, etc in Autos...so are those not sports cars?

chose wrong quote. :-/

[bren]

305 powAAA!AA!!!!!

Bob, i saw ur last run. i was like "what was he talkin bout his tranny being fucked?" then 3/4 down the track i heard the vrooom vrooom vrooom of u letting off and slammin the pedal 2 try and get it 2 shift. lol. B-fitz = :owned:

what did B fitz and iroc355z run? was this 305 ownage that night? sickboy step your game up and head to the track.

[TunedPort 335]

Dude, I am no 16 year old who just got their license.
.

Hey now :-/

[Jcb890]

Hey now :-/

fuck u. u left early so i missed ur mad powAA 305 runs. :-/

[H3llphyre]

So with that logic with bodybuilding why not take steriods as its easier to get big then basic lifting?

Because there are consequences moron. If they had drugs to do such things that didn't have serious consequences, I would take them, no question.

Just because something is difficult to do, doesn't inherently make it better.

And how can you call the SMG a stick? It shifts for you, therefor it is an "automatic" transmission. End of story. Notice, one is called "Manual" and the other "Automatic". Hmmm.... The tech behind a tranny means nothing, either you shift it manually or automatically.

[H3llphyre]

Hey now :-/

You know what I meant jackass... *SMIRK*

[bren]

BMS has been around for what? 1.5 years? Dude, I am no 16 year old who just got their license.

You are right though. Behind the wheel at REAL competitions, I have little to no experience, but then again, neither do you. Street night at Epping is no different then street racing, cept you get pretty lights. Either way, what does this matter? Has no bounds on what we are talking about.

In the same light, I could say that you've spent a lot of money on cars and had quite a few, but could never quite get one into the 13's... But, that isn't important to me, so I don't say such things.

Thats true, although ive competed in autox, and NED, worked on a professional driving course and what else do you want to count f1 boston? im far from your street light racing 19 yr old.

I have spent quite a bit of money, on cars that ran 15.7 stock and that most people dump 3-4 thousand into their civics engine and dont touch 13s. I do all around cars, i usually do full suspension first, wheels, stereo, interior, then engine, i had $1400 in that engine including blower intake and everything and with all the extra weight i added i made a safe reliable daily driver that could kick most peoples asses at that time in my commute (2000). I could of sprayed my way into the 13s for $500 with that civic, or put on drag radials on stock wheels and pedaled my way into it. I had one 13.9 slip and the rest 14.0@100. Im not all about the 1/4 mile, as i bought a fwd car and then slammed it on 18" wheels. I could easily buy a shitbox crx and stuff a b18 in it with some drag radials and go 13s for pocket change. But i couldnt drive around in that car. I build reliable daily drivers that are as reliable as stock and go significantly better. I could not own a car that spent 2-3 years in chickens lot with a broken tranny and bench race it, that would drive me insane. So i dont go "big." Hell with what i spent on suspension for the WRX i could have a VF34 and tuning and kick mid 12s? But that isnt me nor reliable considering i still have a warrenty.

[bren]

Because there are consequences moron. If they had drugs to do such things that didn't have serious consequences, I would take them, no question.

Just because something is difficult to do, doesn't inherently make it better.

And how can you call the SMG a stick? It shifts for you, therefor it is an "automatic" transmission. End of story. Notice, one is called "Manual" and the other "Automatic". Hmmm.... The tech behind a tranny means nothing, either you shift it manually or automatically.

im assuming youve never driven an SMG car before then *SMIRK*

[H3llphyre]

im assuming youve never driven an SMG car before then *SMIRK*

I dunno, they shift on their own, or at least BMW states that they do. I never stated it worked well, just that it worked.

[4A-GTE]

I do not normally do this, but lately Jay I have noticed that you have been posting , wether you have noticed it or not, to the effect of what I feel as though that you think you have a superior IQ. Now I feel that you are a very smart individual, but the way you have come across to me is very pompous and in an ignorant fashion as well. So with no hard feelings I like to defend my friend Adam;

Well first off let me re-clarify what he said, because it seems as though people aren't understanding what it is that he's trying to put across; basically he feels as though an automatic transmisson takes the fun out of a sports car and therefore should really not be considered a sports car. With that being said let me tell you why I find fault in your previous statements.

Ferrari is a perfect example of NOT having a stick with their paddle shifter tranny. Are you going to say that a Ferrari isn't a sports car?

Ok, paddle shifter, although clutchless, is not the same as an auto tranny.


Also, would you NOT consider Preston Smith's 9 second camaro a sport car? It competes in a sport (drag racing) and is VERY fast. So, are we saying that drag racing isn't a sport? Are we also saying that Formula is NOT a sport?

I'm not sure wether or not he feels Peston's car is a sports car, but based on his comments No. In my oppinion it is very valid to feel that way. Adam's definition of a sports car is one that is fast and fun to drive, and since I personallly have known him since high school I can even add to this defintion that in his oppinion it must also have some appeal. This definiton of what a sports car is not very different to how other individuals feel and most importantly what car makers feel the defintion of sports car is. You may or may not disagree with this definiton, but I'm sure you would agree that those three things would be in your defintion as well. That's where Adam's opinion comes into play here, he feels a car with an automatic transmission is not fun and therefore discludes them from what he feels makes up a sports car. You can't argue wether or not he has fun driving an auto, because apperently he doesn't. Since it only has two out of the three qualifications a sports car is made up of, it doesn't qualify to him as one. Therefore there is no point to argue, but to argue one's opinion against one others. Secondly there is no mention that drag racing isn't a sport nor Formula, so that's not even relevant.


Can we now say that snowmobiles can't be considered in any racing sport because they are CVTs and not manual smashboxes? I guess all boats are out as well, because they are one speed. Top fuel dragsters with their clutchpacks are also out, because they don't have gears.

None of this is of relevance since we are talking about cars with automatics.



Ignorance level today: +1

Just an example of what I was talking about earlier

[Adam]

I do not normally do this, but lately Jay I have noticed that you have been posting , wether you have noticed it or not, to the effect of what I feel as though that you think you have a superior IQ. Now I feel that you are a very smart individual, but the way you have come across to me is very pompous and in an ignorant fashion as well. So with no hard feelings I like to defend my friend Adam;

Well first off let me re-clarify what he said, because it seems as though people aren't understanding what it is that he's trying to put across; basically he feels as though an automatic transmisson takes the fun out of a sports car and therefore should really not be considered a sports car. With that being said let me tell you why I find fault in your previous statements.



Ok, paddle shifter, although clutchless, is not the same as an auto tranny.




I'm not sure wether or not he feels Peston's car is a sports car, but based on his comments No. In my oppinion it is very valid to feel that way. Adam's definition of a sports car is one that is fast and fun to drive, and since I personallly have known him since high school I can even add to this defintion that in his oppinion it must also have some appeal. This definiton of what a sports car is not very different to how other individuals feel and most importantly what car makers feel the defintion of sports car is. You may or may not disagree with this definiton, but I'm sure you would agree that those three things would be in your defintion as well. That's where Adam's opinion comes into play here, he feels a car with an automatic transmission is not fun and therefore discludes them from what he feels makes up a sports car. You can't argue wether or not he has fun driving an auto, because apperently he doesn't. Since it only has two out of the three qualifications a sports car is made up of, it doesn't qualify to him as one. Therefore there is no point to argue, but to argue one's opinion against one others. Secondly there is no mention that drag racing isn't a sport nor Formula, so that's not even relevant.




None of this is of relevance since we are talking about cars with automatics.





Just an example of what I was talking about earlier
:owned: by the ghost!!!

[H3llphyre]

I do not normally do this, but lately Jay I have noticed that you have been posting , wether you have noticed it or not, to the effect of what I feel as though that you think you have a superior IQ. Now I feel that you are a very smart individual, but the way you have come across to me is very pompous and in an ignorant fashion as well. So with no hard feelings I like to defend my friend Adam;

I believe the word is arrogance, and yes, I have been rather pompous and arrogant. I am surprised you are the first person to call me on it.

[QOUTE]
Well first off let me re-clarify what he said, because it seems as though people aren't understanding what it is that he's trying to put across; basically he feels as though an automatic transmisson takes the fun out of a sports car and therefore should really not be considered a sports car. With that being said let me tell you why I find fault in your previous statements.
[/QUOTE]

And this is where I said opinion differs from fact. If he had only said "An auto takes all the fun out of a sports car for me" I would have said "Yeah, I kinda agree" but that's not what he said. What he said was that a car with an auto was not a sports car in his opinion, which is all out wrong, hence me making the statement about the sun.


Ok, paddle shifter, although clutchless, is not the same as an auto tranny.


There are many SMG trannies that have a mode that will shift for you. This is no different in operation as a tiptronic tranny from the user's standpoint.


I'm not sure wether or not he feels Peston's car is a sports car, but based on his comments No. In my oppinion it is very valid to feel that way. Adam's definition of a sports car is one that is fast and fun to drive, and since I personallly have known him since high school I can even add to this defintion that in his oppinion it must also have some appeal. This definiton of what a sports car is not very different to how other individuals feel and most importantly what car makers feel the defintion of sports car is. You may or may not disagree with this definiton, but I'm sure you would agree that those three things would be in your defintion as well. That's where Adam's opinion comes into play here, he feels a car with an automatic transmission is not fun and therefore discludes them from what he feels makes up a sports car. You can't argue wether or not he has fun driving an auto, because apperently he doesn't. Since it only has two out of the three qualifications a sports car is made up of, it doesn't qualify to him as one. Therefore there is no point to argue, but to argue one's opinion against one others. Secondly there is no mention that drag racing isn't a sport nor Formula, so that's not even relevant.


The point was, drag and formula racing are sports, and they consist of sports cars... which don't have manual gearboxes. I wasn't arguing his opinion that sticks are more fun, i was arguing that sports cars CAN have auto shifting trannies.




None of this is of relevance since we are talking about cars with automatics.


Yes, but they are vehicles that DON'T have manual shifting trannies, which means they are relevant. I will admit, I probably took the wrong route to explain myself and argue with people, but my points are all valid and sound. Am I a lil elitist? Yuppers, and that is something that I should work on. You won't see me act elitist in person, because it is MUCH easier to explain my point in person and I won't bow to such simplistic means of communication.

[H3llphyre]

:owned: by the ghost!!!


Barely. He only managed to call me on being an asshole about my means of disagreeing with you. Completely true, I won't deny it, but it still doesn't cover you from being wrong.

[V8killa]

something to add...there was a leginfelter(sp?) vette @ NED one time on a T&T day. it said like 4xx twin turbo. it was orginally a stock and they were only getting 10.4's or something. when they cahnged it to an auto they got like a 9.7 or something and the tech crew made him pull over and started giving him shit about a tranny cover or something. he turned down his boost and was on his brakes @ the end of the line and still getting 10.1's. they said it was w/ the help of the auto though. I think once you get that fast, having a stick is no longer an advantage.

[REXLR8]

wow this thread.....ok...ive tried to sypher through the shit, but cant, anyone want to summarize this thread for me so i can attempt some helpful opinion?

[Feral]

he's not upset w/ u cuz u prefer it. he's upset with Bren because he thinks his 2.0 60's are sick cuz he drives stick y0.

Me and smashor cut 1.6-1.7's with sticks ...

[Feral]

I am SO WAITING for Kurtis to come in and say COMFORT IS FOR THE WEAK, YOU ARE WEAK SHITSTICKS.

hah ... man you know me so well you beat me to the punch now. Well hang on I do have comment and it's coming

[Feral]

What he said was that a car with an auto was not a sports car in his opinion, which is all out wrong, hence me making the statement about the sun.


No, you are wrong. He said that a car without an auto is not a sports car, in his opinion ... it's right there in the quote that you quoted you pathetic waste of flesh. There is only one thing I hate more than lazy people, and that's arrogant people. Don't make me put you down.

I will say this once, automatics are for lazy pussies who would be the first ones for me to slay in the event of armageddon. Anyone who has a problem with that, step up or shut up. I would fight to the death over this. I have never owned an automatic and I never will because I have too much respect for the machine. It is an inferior abstraction that serves only to further seperate the end-user from the vehicle, to turn the vehicle from an extension of the user's body into a one-man taxi-cab. Burn your cars if their automatics and just save up taxi money you pathetic, worthless, and weak people.

Automatics = weakness
Sticks = Vin Diesel

Now go home and die, all of you.

I was at least 75% serious in this post, you decide.

[V8killa]

No, you are wrong. He said that a car without an auto is not a sports car, in his opinion ... it's right there in the quote that you quoted you pathetic waste of flesh. There is only one thing I hate more than lazy people, and that's arrogant people. Don't make me put you down.

I will say this once, automatics are for lazy pussies who would be the first ones for me to slay in the event of armageddon. Anyone who has a problem with that, step up or shut up. I would fight to the death over this. I have never owned an automatic and I never will because I have too much respect for the machine. It is an inferior abstraction that serves only to further seperate the end-user from the vehicle, to turn the vehicle from an extension of the user's body into a one-man taxi-cab. Burn your cars if their automatics and just save up taxi money you pathetic, worthless, and weak people.

Automatics = weakness
Sticks = Vin Diesel

Now go home and die, all of you.

I was at least 75% serious in this post, you decide.

this was laugh out loud fuckin funny. the people @ my work just came over from listening to the sox game to find out what the hell was wrong with me!

[REXLR8]

I will say this once, automatics are for lazy pussies who would be the first ones for me to slay in the event of armageddon. .



hahahaha, your the fuckin man dude..........and i agree with your post.........the part about trannies that is... :worry:

[TunedPort 335]

Automatics = weakness
.

What was your 60' again :|





:::runs and hides from kurtis the giant:::

[Adam]

No, you are wrong. He said that a car without an auto is not a sports car, in his opinion ... it's right there in the quote that you quoted you pathetic waste of flesh. There is only one thing I hate more than lazy people, and that's arrogant people. Don't make me put you down.

I will say this once, automatics are for lazy pussies who would be the first ones for me to slay in the event of armageddon. Anyone who has a problem with that, step up or shut up. I would fight to the death over this. I have never owned an automatic and I never will because I have too much respect for the machine. It is an inferior abstraction that serves only to further seperate the end-user from the vehicle, to turn the vehicle from an extension of the user's body into a one-man taxi-cab. Burn your cars if their automatics and just save up taxi money you pathetic, worthless, and weak people.

Automatics = weakness
Sticks = Vin Diesel

Now go home and die, all of you.

I was at least 75% serious in this post, you decide.

OMG feral agreed with me and someone finally saw MY OPINION!!!!!! not fact sheeesh

[TunedPort 335]

LOL Kurtis I just read that post again, I got tears in my eyes from laughin so hard hahah

[Feral]

What was your 60' again :|





:::runs and hides from kurtis the giant:::

My personal best is a 1.63 ... so I'm not too worried about you yet. :). And even still if you can beat my 60' it's still a long ways to 118mph or 11.8 ... heheh.

[S10menace]

Manual is more fun but autos are more consistent.Trust me it's not just let the button go and hold on.I take it you never drove anything with power then.

[H3llphyre]

No, you are wrong. He said that a car without an auto is not a sports car, in his opinion ... it's right there in the quote that you quoted you pathetic waste of flesh. There is only one thing I hate more than lazy people, and that's arrogant people. Don't make me put you down.

I will say this once, automatics are for lazy pussies who would be the first ones for me to slay in the event of armageddon. Anyone who has a problem with that, step up or shut up. I would fight to the death over this. I have never owned an automatic and I never will because I have too much respect for the machine. It is an inferior abstraction that serves only to further seperate the end-user from the vehicle, to turn the vehicle from an extension of the user's body into a one-man taxi-cab. Burn your cars if their automatics and just save up taxi money you pathetic, worthless, and weak people.

Automatics = weakness
Sticks = Vin Diesel

Now go home and die, all of you.

I was at least 75% serious in this post, you decide.

And I responded with "I'm my opinion, that bright ball in the sky is god, holding a lamp". You can't just add "in my opinion" to the end of a statement and expect that to hold up in an arguement. You can't justify saying that a stick vette is a sports car, and an auto vette is not. Sorry, just doesn't hold up at all, and that was my point. The word "opinion" is not some magical fucking word that negates a person from being wrong.

And as I said before Mister "I am god and my opinion is always right". Take those synchros out of your tranny, cuz synchros are for fucking pussies. If you want true control over your car, you can't justify having those pecky "helping" devices. Race car drivers don't need em, why do you?

Also, 1.6-1.7 60's are kinda puss, although impressive for a street car. Call me back when you are pulling sub 1.5's.

But, in all serisousness, you can't really say that one car, given two options, stick or auto, can be a sports car with one tranny, and not the other. Sorry, doesn't hold up in my book. There are certain things that technology can benefit you, and having the computer control clutch activation (SMG) is one of those. Those SMG's can shift faster then ANY human on this planet.

If you are really that much of a luddite kurtis, maybe you aught to strap a carb on the VR4.

[bren]

And I responded with "I'm my opinion, that bright ball in the sky is god, holding a lamp". You can't just add "in my opinion" to the end of a statement and expect that to hold up in an arguement. You can't justify saying that a stick vette is a sports car, and an auto vette is not. Sorry, just doesn't hold up at all, and that was my point. The word "opinion" is not some magical fucking word that negates a person from being wrong.

And as I said before Mister "I am god and my opinion is always right". Take those synchros out of your tranny, cuz synchros are for fucking pussies. If you want true control over your car, you can't justify having those pecky "helping" devices. Race car drivers don't need em, why do you?

Also, 1.6-1.7 60's are kinda puss, although impressive for a street car. Call me back when you are pulling sub 1.5's.

But, in all serisousness, you can't really say that one car, given two options, stick or auto, can be a sports car with one tranny, and not the other. Sorry, doesn't hold up in my book. There are certain things that technology can benefit you, and having the computer control clutch activation (SMG) is one of those. Those SMG's can shift faster then ANY human on this planet.

If you are really that much of a luddite kurtis, maybe you aught to strap a carb on the VR4.

super gay, until YOU pilot a car into a 1.6-1.7 dont even talk. Its not as easy as it looks, especially in stick awd car with possible tranny breaking. Look at Rizz's monster on hoosiers doesnt break 1.5s on its best run, it doesnt happen with awd most of the time. Synchros are standard on current cars therefore not "helping" devices, which your logic you should disconnect your gas pedal and pull the throttle cable with your hand because the pedal is an assist.

[iroc350sb]

Synchros are standard on current cars therefore not "helping" devices
So are autos so does that mean they aren't helping either?

[bren]

So are autos so does that mean they aren't helping either?

high stalls and e/t's are standard?

[540Malibu]

Your argument is make something harder, my argument is make something less skillful and less pleasureable.

but the way i drive, there will be no synchros soon.

i have more respect for jesse and smash0r who feather and bang their way down the track. How many times do people peer in your window and say "should of gotten a stick." Its just a way of driving. Its like y0y0y0y0 guys i got a SUPRA TT, and they are like SICK 6 spd? your like nope Auto. and sad faces all around. Even though an auto supra is a better drag racing platform.

they dont feather shit, dump and go, only instead of releasing a button its a clutch pedal

[540Malibu]

Because there are consequences moron. If they had drugs to do such things that didn't have serious consequences, I would take them, no question.

Just because something is difficult to do, doesn't inherently make it better.

And how can you call the SMG a stick? It shifts for you, therefor it is an "automatic" transmission. End of story. Notice, one is called "Manual" and the other "Automatic". Hmmm.... The tech behind a tranny means nothing, either you shift it manually or automatically.

<<<<< 6 speed manual with variable slip converter

[540Malibu]

super gay, until YOU pilot a car into a 1.6-1.7 dont even talk. Its not as easy as it looks, especially in stick awd car with possible tranny breaking. Look at Rizz's monster on hoosiers doesnt break 1.5s on its best run, it doesnt happen with awd most of the time. Synchros are standard on current cars therefore not "helping" devices, which your logic you should disconnect your gas pedal and pull the throttle cable with your hand because the pedal is an assist.

by your logic big blocks never came with 3krpm stall converters or wide ovals.

[540Malibu]

super gay, until YOU pilot a car into a 1.6-1.7 dont even talk. Its not as easy as it looks, especially in stick awd car with possible tranny breaking. Look at Rizz's monster on hoosiers doesnt break 1.5s on its best run, it doesnt happen with awd most of the time. Synchros are standard on current cars therefore not "helping" devices, which your logic you should disconnect your gas pedal and pull the throttle cable with your hand because the pedal is an assist.

1.6's1.7's are easy, its not anyone elses fault that EVERY other automotive transmission is inferior to the th-400 in stock form, in terms of strength and reliability.

[Feral]

And I responded with "I'm my opinion, that bright ball in the sky is god, holding a lamp". You can't just add "in my opinion" to the end of a statement and expect that to hold up in an arguement. You can't justify saying that a stick vette is a sports car, and an auto vette is not. Sorry, just doesn't hold up at all, and that was my point. The word "opinion" is not some magical fucking word that negates a person from being wrong.

Actually yes it does. An opinion cannot be wrong, only facts. And truthfully the only difference between a fact and an opinion is that a fact is just an opinion with a specified frame of reference. All of science is just a bunch of opinions with a few specific reference points. It doesn't mean they are right, they are just right in their frame of reference. In science it's called laws, in math postulates, in religion it's called faith, but in every major belief system (religion, science, math) there are a set of assumptions that must be given, which cannot be proven. In the end all facts are really just opinions, and that's the point. You're "facts" are no more valid than anyone's opinion, and no more right. There is no right and wrong.


And as I said before Mister "I am god and my opinion is always right". Take those synchros out of your tranny, cuz synchros are for fucking pussies. If you want true control over your car, you can't justify having those pecky "helping" devices. Race car drivers don't need em, why do you?
I never said I didn't need synchros. What relevance does this have to anything in this discussion? Are you trying to say that synchros are the same as an automatic? Are you really going to try and say that? Comparing synchro's to an automatic is like comparing a hand gun to a howitzer. Sure you can draw some distant parallels, but that's about it.


Also, 1.6-1.7 60's are kinda puss, although impressive for a street car. Call me back when you are pulling sub 1.5's.
You call me when you've cut sub-oh-anything. You talk a lot of shit for a guy who's never been down the 1/4. Shit even spencer has more seat time than you do and even he spouts of less oral feces than you do these days. At this point in time there's not a single car in all of Chicken Racing that has ever cut a better 60' than me. Not one. None of the auto's, big blocks, N20 superchargers ... not a single one of those "muscle cars" has done better. I guess that makes all of them super-puss.

But, in all serisousness, you can't really say that one car, given two options, stick or auto, can be a sports car with one tranny, and not the other. Sorry, doesn't hold up in my book. There are certain things that technology can benefit you, and having the computer control clutch activation (SMG) is one of those. Those SMG's can shift faster then ANY human on this planet.
In fact I can and do say that in all seriousness. I will say it right here, right now. Automatic corvette's are NOT sports cars. Also not single car made by Audi or Mercedes is a sports car. Not an RS6, none of them ... stick, paddle shifter, or built in hooker ... still not a sports car to me. Just because your classification system doesn't align with mine doesn't mean on of us is right and wrong.

If you are really that much of a luddite kurtis, maybe you aught to strap a carb on the VR4.
I've never for a moment claimed to be a luddite. You assume this. With me you should assume nothing. I embrace technology, only I exercize caution because I always need to have a plan when the batteries die or the lights go out. I refuse to live my life dependent on it unless absolutely necessary. i refuse to be a slave to a machine. This is why I know how to hunt and kill and grow my own food. This is why I can build shelter and why I make my meat-body powerful and healthy ... because I intend to be powerful with or without technology. You think you grow stronger through technology. I believe real strength comes from within yourself and technology is only a tool with which to use that strength. And in the end the question isn't "can you do something?" it's "should you do something."

[bren]

YESSSSSS the man is correct

[H3llphyre]

You call me when you've cut sub-oh-anything. You talk a lot of shit for a guy who's never been down the 1/4. Shit even spencer has more seat time than you do and even he spouts of less oral feces than you do these days.

I woulda had plenty of seat time had someone not broken the car... *SMIRK*

[H3llphyre]

Also not single car made by Audi or Mercedes is a sports car.

I'll agree to disagree.

[Feral]

I'll agree to disagree.

Finally you understand. It's not about right or wrong when it comes to opinions, it's about agreeing or disagreeing. Subtle, but overwhelmingly important.

[ianfromma]

Actually yes it does. An opinion cannot be wrong, only facts. And truthfully the only difference between a fact and an opinion is that a fact is just an opinion with a specified frame of reference. All of science is just a bunch of opinions with a few specific reference points. It doesn't mean they are right, they are just right in their frame of reference. In science it's called laws, in math postulates, in religion it's called faith, but in every major belief system (religion, science, math) there are a set of assumptions that must be given, which cannot be proven. In the end all facts are really just opinions, and that's the point. You're "facts" are no more valid than anyone's opinion, and no more right. There is no right and wrong.



I never said I didn't need synchros. What relevance does this have to anything in this discussion? Are you trying to say that synchros are the same as an automatic? Are you really going to try and say that? Comparing synchro's to an automatic is like comparing a hand gun to a howitzer. Sure you can draw some distant parallels, but that's about it.



You call me when you've cut sub-oh-anything. You talk a lot of shit for a guy who's never been down the 1/4. Shit even spencer has more seat time than you do and even he spouts of less oral feces than you do these days. At this point in time there's not a single car in all of Chicken Racing that has ever cut a better 60' than me. Not one. None of the auto's, big blocks, N20 superchargers ... not a single one of those "muscle cars" has done better. I guess that makes all of them super-puss.


In fact I can and do say that in all seriousness. I will say it right here, right now. Automatic corvette's are NOT sports cars. Also not single car made by Audi or Mercedes is a sports car. Not an RS6, none of them ... stick, paddle shifter, or built in hooker ... still not a sports car to me. Just because your classification system doesn't align with mine doesn't mean on of us is right and wrong.


I've never for a moment claimed to be a luddite. You assume this. With me you should assume nothing. I embrace technology, only I exercize caution because I always need to have a plan when the batteries die or the lights go out. I refuse to live my life dependent on it unless absolutely necessary. i refuse to be a slave to a machine. This is why I know how to hunt and kill and grow my own food. This is why I can build shelter and why I make my meat-body powerful and healthy ... because I intend to be powerful with or without technology. You think you grow stronger through technology. I believe real strength comes from within yourself and technology is only a tool with which to use that strength. And in the end the question isn't "can you do something?" it's "should you do something."


great post...people that are getting pissy in this thread are being retarded. its all OPINION. I still think an automatic can be a sports car, but thats how I feel...

and I very much agree with the technology thing kurtis. We had a discussion about it in my ethics class...We were talking about what makes a good life, and how technology doesn't give you a good life and it shouldn't be relied on.

[Feral]

great post...people that are getting pissy in this thread are being retarded. its all OPINION. I still think an automatic can be a sports car, but thats how I feel...

and I very much agree with the technology thing kurtis. We had a discussion about it in my ethics class...We were talking about what makes a good life, and how technology doesn't give you a good life and it shouldn't be relied on.
making technology a required part of your happiness is a terrible mistake.

[H3llphyre]

Finally you understand. It's not about right or wrong when it comes to opinions, it's about agreeing or disagreeing. Subtle, but overwhelmingly important.
Yeah, but see, with that view, it is retarded to argue ANY point, because it can ALWAYS be bioled down to "it's my opinion, you can't argue it". I find it as a copout, but I understand your point completely. Blah, either way, my arrogance ran out from last week, so I suppose I shall behave this week.

[Feral]

Yeah, but see, with that view, it is retarded to argue ANY point, because it can ALWAYS be bioled down to "it's my opinion, you can't argue it". I find it as a copout, but I understand your point completely. Blah, either way, my arrogance ran out from last week, so I suppose I shall behave this week.

No you can still argue, but you have to first agree upon the language and bounds of the arguement. If you want to have a successful and productive arguement then first it requires an agreement of this sort, an unwritten contract that will get both parties speaking the same language. Otherwise it will inevitably always resort to this.

[ianfromma]

No you can still argue, but you have to first agree upon the language and bounds of the arguement. If you want to have a successful and productive arguement then first it requires an agreement of this sort, an unwritten contract that will get both parties speaking the same language. Otherwise it will inevitably always resort to this.

you're thinking of a debate...an arguement has no bounds and never gets anywhere

[H3llphyre]

you're thinking of a debate...an arguement has no bounds and never gets anywhere

Eh, now we are getting into semantics, which are silly really. Fucking english language has too many words. Only serves to complicate things.

Any language with the ability to have such a thing as a thesaurus is silly.