305 power

[Paulie C.]

today i think i broke the 20 second barrier and beat a b250 van. Chevy Power!!!!:ak1: hahahaha

[TunedPort 335]

:worship2: 305:worship2:

[BobFitz82]

lol

[Blackwidow]

nice dude


nothin wrong with 305 :smokin:

[DevaROH]

theres plunty wrong with the 305!!!

[Paulie C.]

hey at least its a v8 and doesnt say v tec all over it!!! :thumbsup:

[DevaROH]

good point!!! and well its not a TBI!! like mine was

[BobFitz82]

Originally posted by 95stang50
good point!!! and well its not a TBI!! like mine was
TBI= :hurl:

[MadMalibu71]

Originally posted by BobFitz82
lol

Oh come on Bob... You miss your lil 305... Don't lie or laugh about it!!:bash:

[BobFitz82]

Originally posted by MadMalibu71
Oh come on Bob... You miss your lil 305... Don't lie or laugh about it!!:bash: :ak1: my old 305

[Devin Mac]

Originally posted by gaseaterbeater
hey at least its a v8 and doesnt say v tec all over it!!! :thumbsup:

well, yes.. it is a v8, and no, it doesn't say vtec all over it...

but any engine that DOES say vtec all over it will absolutely destroy the 305 in any sort of efficiency scale... hp/liter, hp/unit fuel, etc etc etc....

vtec :ak1: 305

:thumbsup:

[TunedPort 335]

Horsepower per liter great and all, but horsepower per car is whats more important :thumbsup:

[Devin Mac]

if you mean horse/ton i'll agree with you.

if not, i shall be knocking on your door with a large carp to beat you down with pretty soon. ;-)

EDIT: oh, and btw, horsepower per car (whoever would use that asinine form of measurement, anyway?) isn't even relevant to this convo about engines. the 305 in question could easily (or not so easily, in the case of some swaps) be replaced with anything else. so in an engine discussion, horse/liter is a more appropriate measure. ;-)

[540Malibu]

Originally posted by Devin Mac
if you mean horse/ton i'll agree with you.

if not, i shall be knocking on your door with a large carp to beat you down with pretty soon. ;-)

EDIT: oh, and btw, horsepower per car (whoever would use that asinine form of measurement, anyway?) isn't even relevant to this convo about engines. the 305 in question could easily (or not so easily, in the case of some swaps) be replaced with anything else. so in an engine discussion, horse/liter is a more appropriate measure. ;-)

show me a v-tec that can pull a bulldozer.....

[bren]

Originally posted by Devin Mac
well, yes.. it is a v8, and no, it doesn't say vtec all over it...

but any engine that DOES say vtec all over it will absolutely destroy the 305 in any sort of efficiency scale... hp/liter, hp/unit fuel, etc etc etc....

vtec :ak1: 305

:thumbsup:

took the words out of my mouth.

funny thing is a vtec will put more HP to the wheels then a 305.

[X]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Devin Mac
[B]well, yes.. it is a v8, and no, it doesn't say vtec all over it...

but any engine that DOES say vtec all over it will absolutely destroy the 305 in any sort of efficiency scale... hp/liter, hp/unit fuel, etc etc etc....

vtec :ak1: 305

Here ya go V-tec guys :thumbsup:
http://webpages.charter.net/sdumont5/honda%20torque.bmp

[MadMalibu71]

LMAO!!:lol: :thumbsup:

[BobFitz82]

:lol:

[FAST4x4]

ROFLMAO Steve, that's awesome

[bren]

funny thing i actually took the dohc vtec stickers off my si and put them on my honda mower, it gets more grass per bag now. holla!

[X]

:thumbsup:
I got that pic from cotrone

[Paulie C.]

a v tec will put more horsepower to the ground than any 305?Spence what do you say about that? common guys i need some domestic support here!! Where you @ tunedport?

[540Malibu]

Originally posted by gaseaterbeater
a v tec will put more horsepower to the ground than any 305?Spence what do you say about that? common guys i need some domestic support here!! Where you @ tunedport?

lets see a vtec pull a bulldozer.

[TunedPort 335]

Depends what 305 it is. I'd like to see the torque comparisons on a stock 305 TPI vs. a VTEC motor, should be pretty funny. And I'd also like to see a VTEC motor putting out around 434tq at the crank like my motor, for the same amount of money I've put into mine.

And who gives a fuck about efficiency, we build these cars for performance. If we wanted efficiency, we'd all drive Toyota Prius hybrids.

:lame:

[Devin Mac]

Originally posted by TunedPort 335
Depends what 305 it is. I'd like to see the torque comparisons on a stock 305 TPI vs. a VTEC motor, should be pretty funny. And I'd also like to see a VTEC motor putting out around 434tq at the crank like my motor, for the same amount of money I've put into mine.

And who gives a fuck about efficiency, we build these cars for performance. If we wanted efficiency, we'd all drive Toyota Prius hybrids.

:lame:

i wasn't talking about fuel efficiency, asshat... i was talking about the overall efficiency of a motor, which more or less directly relates to power/weight ratios.

and do we really wanna start up this little torque discussion again?

so yeah... take that little "lame" sign you seem to be so proud of and jam it up your pooper. :thumbsup:

[Blackwidow]

Originally posted by Devin Mac
i wasn't talking about fuel efficiency, asshat... i was talking about the overall efficiency of a motor, which more or less directly relates to power/weight ratios.

and do we really wanna start up this little torque discussion again?

so yeah... take that little "lame" sign you seem to be so proud of and jam it up your pooper. :thumbsup:


You used to walk into walls a lot when you were a kid

[TunedPort 335]

Originally posted by Devin Mac
i wasn't talking about fuel efficiency, asshat... i was talking about the overall efficiency of a motor, which more or less directly relates to power/weight ratios.

and do we really wanna start up this little torque discussion again?

so yeah... take that little "lame" sign you seem to be so proud of and jam it up your pooper. :thumbsup:

Thanks for calling me an asshat :blush: :thumbsup:

I didn't wanna start the torque discussion, but I can see where it could have. Who said I was proud of the lame sign anyways?!!?! :wtf1: :O

[Paulie C.]

USA USA USA USA USA

hey the rap group the big tymer put it the best

"cutlass's monte carlos cadilacs and jags, if it aint a v8 the shit aint fast!":ak1:

[bren]

Oh yes the big tymers, they should be quoted/praised, they are always right.


434 tq to the wheels out of a 5+ liter? thats nice, as it is coupled with 134 blazing HP.

[TunedPort 335]

Originally posted by bren y0


434 tq to the wheels out of a 5+ liter? thats nice, as it is coupled with 134 blazing HP.

Way to blow things out of proportion. I said 434 at the crank, thats given 20% drivetrain loss. As for the 134hp comment, reason being stock heads, intake, computer, no tuning, the list goes on. TPI is also a big part of that too, very restrictive.

But I guess I'm beating a dead horse, and I'm not gonna waste my time... :bash: :thumbsup:

[Paulie C.]

u dont think i was serious about teh big tymers>? do you ? hahaa

i respect anything nice dude im just being a ball buster.\

i aint no rice burner i just burn rice.


HIROSHIMA when im around

[bren]

Originally posted by TunedPort 335
As for the 134hp comment, reason being stock heads, intake, computer, no tuning, the list goes on. TPI is also a big part of that too, very restrictive.


WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

i made 200+ whp with stock "heads", computer, no tuning, stock cat......the list goes on


Oh yeah, it was 1.6 Liters


this is me impressed with 305's :sleep:

[TunedPort 335]

And a supercharger. Seems you forgot to mention that. And my dyno run was in 2nd gear, 3rd would show higher numbers since its 1:1 ratio...but I'm guessing you know that already.

Dude I don't hafta say you gotta be impressed with 305's....but it pisses me off when you throw a shot at my car, especially with all the work and man hours I've put into it. Ask anyone here, I take pride in my stuff...and I bust my balls for it. But thats besides the point. I dont diss your car, you don't diss mine. :thumbsup:

[bren]

Originally posted by TunedPort 335
Depends what 305 it is. I'd like to see the torque comparisons on a stock 305 TPI vs. a VTEC motor, should be pretty funny. And I'd also like to see a VTEC motor putting out around 434tq at the crank like my motor, for the same amount of money I've put into mine.

And who gives a fuck about efficiency, we build these cars for performance. If we wanted efficiency, we'd all drive Toyota Prius hybrids.

:lame:

Dont throw at shot at an engine i know everything about and i know wont throw a shot at something you know everything about. Considering that you are possibly comparing the MOST INEFFICIENT MOTOR ever, to one the smallest possible motor ever with the most power and cleanest emissions for its size and extremely EFFICIENT.

Go pick on a d15a6 as its weaksauce 90 hp is comparable to the similar rank in 4 cylinders as the 305 is to v8's

[TunedPort 335]

Sounds like a deal :)

[bren]

your quite reasonable for an NEMS member, props :thumbsup:

[NickPSI]

Honda's are fuckin gay.

[bren]

Nick, do i really have to bring up the time you got :owned: , that you are still bitter about.

[NickPSI]

Originally posted by bren y0
Nick, do i really have to bring up the time you got :owned: , that you are still bitter about.

You have no proof of anything.

[bren]

how about the video i told you i didnt have, haha (framed on wall)

[ThaSac (MicZic)]

305 suck ass.

I raced my friends 305 camaro and beat him by multiple cars.

My engine is 1.6 liters, stock head, stock ecu, only 7 psi. I have 2k into the turbo kit max.

Or how about a single over had cam del slow beating a 305 camaro, thats just pathetic.

350=great engine

305= "hey guys, i got a v8, stupid ricers with their puny 4 cylinders they suck bla blah lbah...oh shit i just got beat by a civic dx....."

What did the 305 make stock? 180 hp?

305= the fisher price of v8's

Zach

[X]

:lol:

[ThaSac (MicZic)]

oh, and don't take offense tuneport335.

I've seen pics of your car and its very nice, and i can appreciate the time and $ you have in it.

It's just my opninion that 305's are worthless engines.

I would buy a 5.0 rustang, 225 hp, 300 ft/lbs, lighter, better handling, thousands of bolt ons.....and well person opinion, better looking.

but then i drive a miata:eh:

Zach:smokin:

[TunedPort 335]

Oh i hear ya man. No doubt is a 302 a much better engine than a 305. I just did with what I already had.

The "magic" bore size seems to be 4" plus. 305's have a 3.735" bore. Bigger bore + better breathing = more power. But in reality its all in how the engine is built. Shit I've personally seen a 3rd gen with a 305 lift the front wheels at E-town, but that sure as hell don't mean its a great engine to start with. But to say 305's are slow is kind of ignorant, because there are fast ones out there...even though they are few and far between.

For reference 305's have come with anything from around 140hp to 235hp, the higher being the 91-92 305 TPI cars with the 1LE package.

[TunedPort 335]

Originally posted by ThaSac (MicZic)


I would buy a 5.0 rustang, 225 hp, 300 ft/lbs, lighter, better handling, thousands of bolt ons.....and well person opinion, better looking.


Are you comparing that to a 3rd gen Camaro? The "better handling" part is far off...very far. :blush:

[ThaSac (MicZic)]

I'm not saying there aren't fast 305's.

Its like anything, you put money into it, it can be fast.

hell, there 400 whp miatas, but stock they're 116.

All I was saying is that stock the 305s aren't the best engine.

as for the handling, i dunno, the mustangs have a history of kicking the tail out at in opertune times, however, they make massive amounts of handling upgrades for those cars and you can set one up to road race for pretty cheap money.

Zach

[TunedPort 335]

I couldn't agree more

[mod313]

So I guess you're saying my 305 with stock heads, intake and carb and has so far only run 11.85 is no good. And the other 305's in our team that run 11.5's and better aren't any good either? Oh well, I guess I'll just keep flogging on the worthless motor until I get it running faster.

[TunedPort 335]

Originally posted by mod313
So I guess you're saying my 305 with stock heads, intake and carb and has so far only run 11.85 is no good. And the other 305's in our team that run 11.5's and better aren't any good either? Oh well, I guess I'll just keep flogging on the worthless motor until I get it running faster.

Hey man, I've seen you over at thirdgen.org. Nice to see ya come over this way, the site is just starting off so hopefully you'll stick around :smokin:

Nice 305!

[BobFitz82]

Originally posted by mod313
So I guess you're saying my 305 with stock heads, intake and carb and has so far only run 11.85 is no good. And the other 305's in our team that run 11.5's and better aren't any good either?
say what!?!? :whoa2:

[FAST4x4]

Originally posted by TunedPort 335
Hey man, I've seen you over at thirdgen.org. Nice to see ya come over this way, the site is just starting off so hopefully you'll stick around :smokin:

Nice 305! yeah, I went into the NorthEast section of Thirgdgen.org and put in a plug for us :thumbsup:

[ThaSac (MicZic)]

Originally posted by mod313
So I guess you're saying my 305 with stock heads, intake and carb and has so far only run 11.85 is no good. And the other 305's in our team that run 11.5's and better aren't any good either? Oh well, I guess I'll just keep flogging on the worthless motor until I get it running faster.

I was purely stating stock vs. stock, a 305 makes no sense.

As stated before, anything can be made fast with time and money.

stock my miata runs almost 17.0 seconds flat. Last year at the track I ran a 15.1@ 94 mph w/ a fucking horrible 2.6 60ft. Theres guys running 11's on stock internals. Does that mean a stock miata is fast? hell fuckin no.

Granted with work a 305 can be fast but logically speaking it doesn't take einstein to figure out a 350 is a more logical choice for performance per buck, or if you wanna stay in the 5.0 league, a rustang is a better choice as well.

Zach

[Devin Mac]

Originally posted by ThaSac (MicZic)
I was purely stating stock vs. stock, a 305 makes no sense.

As stated before, anything can be made fast with time and money.

stock my miata runs almost 17.0 seconds flat. Last year at the track I ran a 15.1@ 94 mph w/ a fucking horrible 2.6 60ft. Theres guys running 11's on stock internals. Does that mean a stock miata is fast? hell fuckin no.

Granted with work a 305 can be fast but logically speaking it doesn't take einstein to figure out a 350 is a more logical choice for performance per buck, or if you wanna stay in the 5.0 league, a rustang is a better choice as well.

Zach

hey hey now.... lets not get ahead of ourselves here... a mustang is NEVER a better choice. ever :thumbsup:

[ThaSac (MicZic)]

It is when your drivin a 305 crapmaro,

just kidding around.

just a personal preference tho I'd rather drive a 5.0 lx rustang then a 305 camaro.

Zach

[Jcb890]

305 = teh slow.

put the same amt. of $ in that 305 into a 350...and yeah, u get the idea.

u can make nething fast for the $, but the 305 really is a weak ass engine.

[SickboySS]

heres one of those beautiful chevy abortions, my old 305, ahhhhh!

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/12/web/264000-264999/264262_143_full.jpg


the 305 is a bastard child engine of gm, the economy V8 if you will...but for chris's car he's done a hell of a job with what he had to start with (i remember the $250 car that the kid tore out the interior to fix the motor, hahahah) and plus it's gettin pretty hard to do a good buildup around here anymore with this emmissions shit...of course his car needs a carb then it'll be better :smokin: :thumbsup:


hey mod313, your sig says reids engine shop, you guys have been around for a long time right? i think you guys did my dad and his buddies engine in their drag car in the late 70's/early 80's...Bantam Outta Hell chevy 427, pro doc racing

[Paulie C.]

im only keeping the 305 til i get the car squared away, ide rather have a mustang too but i cant get enough of these g bodies. Especially ones that dont have to pass the sniffer. When the car turns stops and looks the way i want it and runs low 14s ill ditch the 305 and the hell with a 350 i want to go either big block olds (kind of like the 305 of big blocks to a degree when it comes to making power) or something at the minimum of like 427 c i. I dunno 305s generally are lame but its still a v8 and still what i have for now... So be nice :smokin:

[86T/A-Demon]

Originally posted by TunedPort 335
Depends what 305 it is. I'd like to see the torque comparisons on a stock 305 TPI vs. a VTEC motor, should be pretty funny. And I'd also like to see a VTEC motor putting out around 434tq at the crank like my motor, for the same amount of money I've put into mine.

And who gives a fuck about efficiency, we build these cars for performance. If we wanted efficiency, we'd all drive Toyota Prius hybrids.

:lame:



My 86 305 F code LB9 is 285 ft/lbs @ like 2900 RPM

[ianfromma]

lb9 made 230 hp, 300 ft-lb of torque...

the LG4 is however horrible....145 hp, 240 ft-lb of torque...my shitty ass grand am could probably take that :sleep:


http://www.camarosource.ca/php/camaro_info_db/index.php?act=engine_specs&year=1992

http://www.camarosource.ca/php/camaro_info_db/index.php?act=engine_specs&year=1982

[bren]

145 HP LOLOLOLOLOL :owned: :owned: :owned:

[DevaROH]

well i have owned both a 1985 camaro IROC with a 305 tbi and a 1988 mustang LX 5.0. any day of the week i would take my LX over the iroc, but then i am a little bias. but for power they dont compare. but on handleing thats a different story. i remember taking a real sharp left 90* turn into a dusty parking lot at about 50mph in my iroc and not loosing it. and when i say real sharp i mean, picture this, going down a straight road, comming down a hill and then all of a sudden the place your looking for just shows up out of the blue and with our thinking you just cut the wheel. the thing just held its own, but i know if i tried that in my LX i would have been still spinning.

[Paulie C.]

quad shock rear+turn= sideways haha if only they used a torque arm from the factory

[DevaROH]

ya that would make things a bit more interresting

[SLP IROC-Z]

Originally posted by 95stang50
well i have owned both a 1985 camaro IROC with a 305 tbi and a 1988 mustang LX 5.0. any day of the week i would take my LX over the iroc, but then i am a little bias. but for power they dont compare. but on handleing thats a different story. i remember taking a real sharp left 90* turn into a dusty parking lot at about 50mph in my iroc and not loosing it. and when i say real sharp i mean, picture this, going down a straight road, comming down a hill and then all of a sudden the place your looking for just shows up out of the blue and with our thinking you just cut the wheel. the thing just held its own, but i know if i tried that in my LX i would have been still spinning.

there were no TBI equipped v8 fbodys in 1985 :)

threads like this make me laugh, this quote is a good example. lets take the bottom of the barrel iroc and the lightest, highest powered mustang that came stock and make a comparison, :thumbsup: :thumbsup: way to make sense!

[BobFitz82]

Originally posted by bren y0
145 HP LOLOLOLOLOL :owned: :owned: :owned:
um ya back in early 80's.......

[mod313]

This "weak" 305 ran 10.91 in Oct at Maple Grove in G/SA:


Click Here (http://groups.msn.com/DragRacing/stockclasscars.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=2368)


This one only ran 10.98 at the same event in G/S:

Click here (http://groups.msn.com/DragRacing/stockclasscars.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=2369)

[ThaSac (MicZic)]

it doesn't matter, the whole point of this thread is based on the stock engine, the engine is weak.

with money you can make just about anything fast.

thats like me saying that my car isn't slow because theres a couple miatas that run 10's.......big deal, 99% percent of them are still extrodinarily slow.

the fact of the matter is that 305 engines are inferior compared to the 350 and unless you really like the 305, it makes much more sense to use a 350 as a starting point.

[DevaROH]

Originally posted by SLP IROC-Z
there were no TBI equipped v8 fbodys in 1985 :)

threads like this make me laugh, this quote is a good example. lets take the bottom of the barrel iroc and the lightest, highest powered mustang that came stock and make a comparison, :thumbsup: :thumbsup: way to make sense! well it wasnt TPI and it wasnt a strait up carb so i dont know what you want to call it, all i know is it sucked and i would take my mustang any day over it. if it was a 350 or a decent 305 then that would be a different story.

[SickboySS]

the ford 302 with its power output and aftermarket can be compared to the chevy 350 (cept for price)

the chevy 305 with the price to mod it and the aftermarket for it can be compared to the ford 351

yes, alot of things go back and forth on the 305/350.....but there are 305 specific parts that you have to get too

[DevaROH]

Originally posted by SickboySS
the ford 302 with its power output and aftermarket can be compared to the chevy 350 (cept for price)

the chevy 305 with the price to mod it and the aftermarket for it can be compared to the ford 351

yes, alot of things go back and forth on the 305/350.....but there are 305 specific parts that you have to get too ok:eh:

[540Malibu]

Originally posted by SickboySS
the ford 302 with its power output and aftermarket can be compared to the chevy 350 (cept for price)

the chevy 305 with the price to mod it and the aftermarket for it can be compared to the ford 351

yes, alot of things go back and forth on the 305/350.....but there are 305 specific parts that you have to get too

there are no 305 specific parts. only thing that could be specific are pistons/rings

[Blackwidow]

Jesus ..

Lets get this straight here .. the LB9 .. TBI .. and carbed motors that were thrown into early 80's through early 90's camaros were prepared to combat the new smog emissions as well as provide chevrolet with a decent V8 that was good on gas .. My 305 is better on gas than most cars on the road .. if you wanted a camaro in the 80's you got a V8 thats all enthusiasts cared about .. a V8 .. if you wanted a monster you got the 350 TPI in the 80's corvettes .. laugh all you want .. the 305 is a torque monster .. thats why you find it in some boats as well .. this thread turned into a bash session from most of the ignorant import guys who know nothing about these motors but see HP numbers and base their argument after it ..
Make fun of it all you want .. I enjoy the motor because of its reliability and torque .. if i get beat by a DX honda on a 150 shot .. good for him .. these car and engine combinations were not made for drag racing or road racing .. these are touring cars ..
Ive owned both 350 and 305's .. ill tell you what .. I love them all .. argue on .. you all sound ridiculous

[540Malibu]

267 oWnS yOu AlL:worship2:

[SickboySS]

Originally posted by 540Malibu
there are no 305 specific parts. only thing that could be specific are pistons/rings

theres some 305 specific heads....if you go too big on the valves they will smack into the deck because the bore isn't large enough

[ThaSac (MicZic)]

dyno numbers may lie but 16 second 1/4 mile traps don't.

Zach

[mod313]

Originally posted by ThaSac (MicZic)
it doesn't matter, the whole point of this thread is based on the stock engine, the engine is weak.

with money you can make just about anything fast.

thats like me saying that my car isn't slow because theres a couple miatas that run 10's.......big deal, 99% percent of them are still extrodinarily slow.

the fact of the matter is that 305 engines are inferior compared to the 350 and unless you really like the 305, it makes much more sense to use a 350 as a starting point.

You really have no clue about these motors. As for cost to build, I had more money wrapped up in my 400 that ran 11.20's than I'll have in my 305. Hard to get real pricey since we have to run STOCK heads, intake, valves, cam lift, carb, etc etc etc.
10 sec time slips from motors like these don't lie either. I have yet to see one of your beloved 302 Mustangs run these numbers in Stock. That fact doesn't lie either. Argue about all you want, the fact that these guys have done it shows what is sitting in these motors using what the factory cast for parts.

[540Malibu]

Originally posted by SickboySS
theres some 305 specific heads....if you go too big on the valves they will smack into the deck because the bore isn't large enough

picky picky picky

[BobFitz82]

Originally posted by Lil RedCorvette
Jesus ..

Lets get this straight here .. the LB9 .. TBI .. and carbed motors that were thrown into early 80's through early 90's camaros were prepared to combat the new smog emissions as well as provide chevrolet with a decent V8 that was good on gas .. My 305 is better on gas than most cars on the road .. if you wanted a camaro in the 80's you got a V8 thats all enthusiasts cared about .. a V8 .. if you wanted a monster you got the 350 TPI in the 80's corvettes .. laugh all you want .. the 305 is a torque monster .. thats why you find it in some boats as well .. this thread turned into a bash session from most of the ignorant import guys who know nothing about these motors but see HP numbers and base their argument after it ..
Make fun of it all you want .. I enjoy the motor because of its reliability and torque .. if i get beat by a DX honda on a 150 shot .. good for him .. these car and engine combinations were not made for drag racing or road racing .. these are touring cars ..
Ive owned both 350 and 305's .. ill tell you what .. I love them all .. argue on .. you all sound ridiculous
thank you....atleast someone here has a clue to whats going on.....my 305 lasted me 5 years with out ANY problems what so ever, reliable and great on gas....the only reason why I tossed it was because I wanted a 350 to start off with and build it up from there cause obviously a 350 is a better platform to begin with
Originally posted by ThaSac (MicZic)
dyno numbers may lie but 16 second 1/4 mile traps don't.

Zach
Dude, what are you on???? do you remember the era that these motors came from? Like Ken said....these motors were bouncing back from a huge gas crisis where anymotor that was considered high performance where shot down in the hp department to conserve fuel and to make new SMOG and emissions standards......16 sec quarter mile times BIG DEAL they were touring cars, if u wanted a mid 14 sec motor from the factory you had the option of the 350...obviously people who ordered 305's didnt give a rats ass about speed....they were touring cars and they wanted somthing a littel better on gas with a little bit of umph....i dont know how many times i have to tell you ignorant morons this......what 4cyl/6cyl in the late 70's...80's....where seeing decent amount of power!?!?! none that i can think of besides the turbo 6cyl GN's..... you people still cant get that through ur thick heads......can you? so get ur head out of ur ass and go back to about 1982-all the way to the mid to late 80's and see if anything compared...for the time and what they were..they were great motors....now they might not be shit, but now dont matter it was back then...i know im wasting my time writing this because ur not gonna listen to a god damn thing i say because im jus "talking out of my ass"
o and again about 16 sec 1/4 mile slips out fo a 305....look at SLPIROC-Z's time slip from a couple years ago...stock 305...13.9....ya thought so......

[540Malibu]

hey my 267 with 300k on it ran 17.7 @76 and broke the 130mph barrier, also got 28mpg around town (2barrel biatch)

[BobFitz82]

Originally posted by 540Malibu
hey my 267 with 300k on it ran 17.7 @76 and broke the 130mph barrier, also got 28mpg around town (2barrel biatch)
now that is an acomplishment :thumbsup:

[Paulie C.]

u should have left the bu in that form haha

[Blackwidow]

Bobby they still wouldn't understand .. everyone here is so narrow minded .. so ass bent on 1/4 mile times and HP numbers .. basically no car enthusiasts .. im not saying all .. but the ones who just love cars are few and far between .. too many oen make heroes .. just kids bent on speed and nothing else .. and when any car person claims numbers their ass cramps up and they feel the need to shut them down because of HP/Liter bullshit .. and weight distribution and all this shit .. ive honestly never given a fuck about 1/4 fuckin times .. 40 rolls or all that new style arrogance that floats around ..

No matter what fucking thread you go into .. you find the same goddamn bullshit .. no one can speak their opinion about "performance" or HP .. im sure if i ever got back from the dyno with numbers on my STOCK 305 .. id get 10 pages of fucking ignorant fucking trash talk about how i'd get smoked by this that and whoever's grandmother driving a Honda DX or Celica this .. this is what keeps the real knowledgable hot rodders away from shit like this .. stupid arrogant bullshit .. who's superior .. we're talking about a motor thats almost 20 years old .. a touring motor .. thats like saying hey i dyno'd my mercruiser engines on my boat .. 200 horse a piece at the crank .. and then hearing well you're gay .. B16A with a RB20Z turbo would smoke that ..

Im so fucking sick of hearing this shit .. it makes me not wanna read through these fucking forums ..

oh ya and .. you know who you are .. we all know the kids here who are the internet mechanics .. who've never tightened a goddamn bolt on a fucking thing .. :lame:

[ThaSac (MicZic)]

it's funny, i say I drive my car my car because its a true drivers car and everyone throughs in useless facts aout miatas being gay and they run 17 second 1/4's

yet when you return the favor, everyone gets bitchy and says "ooo, touring car, touring car, get over numbers, they mean nothing"........notice how unlike you guys I never said your cars were gay and poorly manufactured cheap 80's chevy products (oops)....i just said that the fact of the matter is they ran damn slow times stock, which is fact........but the grass is always greener on the otherside of the fence.

as for emmissions well and the 80's, ford was producing 4 banger turbo coupes that were cranking out 180 hp, and svo mustangs before that, and the 5.0 engine at the time stock for stock was a superior engine.

I'm not saying that the 305's don't have potential, but I'm just sick of people with stock 305's walking around bragging about having 4 more cyclinders when everyone of em I've raced have been the slowest goddamn cars ever and the fact of the matter is almost everyone u see on the street runs 16's but with flowmasters runs 13's cause they got that mad free flowin power.

[TunedPort 335]

Not trying to sound cocky but every stock 305 person I've run into this past summer doesn't have much to say when they see my car, be it they have another Camaro or a Monte Carlo or something like that. They just walk around, look at my motor, ask a couple questions and then grunt like cavemen. Not once have I seen someone braggin about how fast their stock 140hp 305 is.

Maybe its a domestic vs. import thing.

[Paulie C.]

my 305 is the shit ,has that mad freeflowing exhaust cuz of the hole in the manifold, i figure thats worth like -10 horse and like that quadrajet that needs a rebuild, thats like a another -10 maybe even 20 horse less than stock. yaya who wants to mess with the ultra highway geared 230k mile 305? what what, it still does 2 gear burnouts tooo haha:ak1:

[Blackwidow]

Originally posted by ThaSac (MicZic)

I'm not saying that the 305's don't have potential, but I'm just sick of people with stock 305's walking around bragging about having 4 more cyclinders when everyone of em I've raced have been the slowest goddamn cars ever and the fact of the matter is almost everyone u see on the street runs 16's but with flowmasters runs 13's cause they got that mad free flowin power.


Do you hear anything from me dude? You come across as the cockiest kid in the world sometimes. Congrats if you've raced other 305's. Personally, I dont base my opinion on anything just because ive raced a couple on the street. No one shits on the fact that you drive a miata .. its just that you think it can compare to a real car .. BAHHAHA

all kidding aside .. stop with the useless BS rants because id rather hear mullet jokes .. and who gets shit for their car the most .. 3rd gen IROC owners .. or a kid driving a miata .. think about it

[ThaSac (MicZic)]

dude, I'm not cocky, I know I drive a cheap car, if I really felt I had an image to keep up I wouldn't drive a miata.

as for the racing 305's, I wasn't comparing them to just the ones I've raced, because in all fairness my car is not stock. However, I have seen celicas, sohc del sols, and all kinds of other cars that any camaro would scoff at beat 305 camaros.

my point was camaros in the era where one of the quicker low buck cars on the road, but compared to whats on the road now they are no longer what one would consider real fast when most family sedans these days are running faster.

I'm not disagreeing with the fact that 305's do put out good torque numbers, and those cars ARE good highway cars.....however in 1988, the lx 302 mustangs were much more bang for the buck if you interested strictly in straightline performance, also the 302's have much more of an aftermarket which is more appealing to younger kids who don't have the knowledge/ money to make a 305 fast.

also, my other point is while the 305 in its era wasn't a bad engine, compared to whats on the market now, I don't see it worth dicking around with one when you can build or just buy a chevy crate motor for cheap that would be a superior engine.

Zach

[Blackwidow]

See now that is an excellent opinion worth posting .. I honestly could care less about modding this 305 .. i just do what i always do to all of the cars i own .. free up some flow here and there and have something relatively quick .. Im not saying my car is fast .. but 80's camaros are pretty quick cars .. and they do throw you back in the seat .. but I didn't buy it to race it ..

its a nice motor .. i have no problem with it .. gas mileage is good and if you know what you're doing in terms of tune ups n such .. it will last forever .. and i think mine sounds better than other v8's

[TunedPort 335]

305's OWN

http://www.ls1camaro.net/freehosting/redneck.jpg

[SickboySS]

Originally posted by TunedPort 335
305's OWN

http://www.ls1camaro.net/freehosting/redneck.jpg

i knew that was your car when i drove by chicken's one day, hahahaha, i could see that thing all the way from 20

[BobFitz82]

Originally posted by TunedPort 335
305's OWN

http://www.ls1camaro.net/freehosting/redneck.jpg
:wtf2: