ok, here ya go Jay :)

[FAST4x4]

Here is a good scripture I found that would do well in explaining why I don't really hang around anymore or do the things I used to do :)

Ephesians 5:1-7

"Therefore be imitators of God as dear children. And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himslef for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.
But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one decieve you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them."

[540Malibu]

you know what god ever did for me...nothing, besides fuck me, so at least we know that god is a woman, and most likely asian.

[FAST4x4]

most people that have this response have never sought God on anything, they expect everything to be given to them, so I can see why you responded the way you did :)

[540Malibu]

if god wants something from me, he better give me something first.

[Mr Joshua]

it's my feeling that religion was founded for control purposes in the begining... sure jesus was probably a real guy, with some great idea's... devine?? i think not..
and his father joseph was a moron and mother mary was a tramp...
just look at things realistically..
the people i'v known that have been devoutly religious have been more fucked up than people that have religion but are not devoutly religious...
religion nowadays is basically a meet and greet session with people that think alike... as well as to gain $$$ for the clergy... i know they pass that damn basket/plate around 3/4 times during mass/assembly...
it's my feeling that people that are devoutly religious tend to have no will of their own, as well as don't belive in themselves...
they need something to belive in... and asure them the worlds going to keep on spinning...
that said.... people can belive whatever they want... i'v got no qalms with people who are religious and go to church...
the second some jackass tries to tell me i'm some sort of heathen for not beliving in a religion and that i should get some religion because i'm not whole or some BS like that i'm gonna go all ghetto on their asses...
last thing some motherfucker wants to do is try to force their religion on me...
~J
P.S. i don't have anything againt church, god, religion.... just see it for what it is... this statement is a generalization, it does not apply to everyone..

[540Malibu]

its ok because we're all going to hell because we're infidels and alah says so.

[ThaSac (MicZic)]

Organized religion is for the ignorant and weak

buddhism is the only religion worthwhile cause its the only one that has any kind of grasp on reality.

Zach

[Mr Joshua]

Originally posted by 540Malibu
its ok because we're all going to hell because we're infidels and alah says so.
see you there.. :thumbsup:
~J

[540Malibu]

Originally posted by ThaSac (MicZic)
Organized religion is for the ignorant and weak

buddhism is the only religion worthwhile cause its the only one that has any kind of grasp on reality.

Zach

budha's just a fat assed porch monkey i aint lsitenin to him.

[ThaSac (MicZic)]

Also, I really have to hand it to the guy(s) that invented religion.

Joe: Hey bob, you know somethin

Bob: what joe

Joe: I'm sick of people stealing my shit and fucking my wife

Bob: me too

Joe: we should tell people if they do that kinda stuff they go to some firery....firery........HELL...ya hell we'll call it

hence the begginning of religion and the concept of hell.

Zach

[ThaSac (MicZic)]

Originally posted by 540Malibu
budha's just a fat assed porch monkey i aint lsitenin to him.

get your terms right......and move to alabama, they'd love you done there.

Zach

[ScoobyGT]

Some of us are gonna be fortunate to go to hell in a handbasket with a bow :D See ya there ;) :smokin:

[FAST4x4]

Originally posted by 540Malibu
if god wants something from me, he better give me something first.

He did, salvation :) It's up to you to accept it

[H3llphyre]

Originally posted by FAST4x4
Here is a good scripture I found that would do well in explaining why I don't really hang around anymore or do the things I used to do :)

Ephesians 5:1-7

"Therefore be imitators of God as dear children. And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himslef for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.
But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one decieve you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them."


I don't really buy into a lot the bible states. Want to know why? Here it is.

Covetry... You can't tell me there are not times in your life when you see someone with something and say to yourself "Man, I want that"... The reason I don't buy into the bible saying it is a sin, is because it is human nature to covet. We are living beings, who seek to better ourselves. The only way to better ourselves is to see what others have and seek to have it ourselves. You could say that people trying to preach the "Word" to others is leading people in coverty. Convincing people that they want the "faith" that that person has. I think it is a good guideline to live by, to not covet, but to call it a sin is a bit harsh.

Unclean? Hmm, that kind of leaves it open ended. I won't get into that.

Fornication? You cannot tell me that even married couples don't have sex for the pure pleasure of having sex. I believe the bible was trying to state that sex should be left for child-making and not for pleasure. I don't buy that the die-hard christian folk live by this. Being married doesnt exclude them from such things.

And, of course one of the statements.

"Let no one decieve you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience"

This is a little too "Old Testement" for me. God seemed to get over his "wrath" side and became a loving God. You must remember. People wrote the bible, not God. They were only inspired by God. So, I take everything in the bible as non-literal. Now the 10 Commandments... Yeah, those seem a little more realistic to me, as God actually wrote it down for us.

So, more or less... I live my life having faith. I won't deny that. Do i attend a regular church? No. I don't believe that I need a clergyman to be an inbetween for me. God is everywhere, He can sure as hell hear me when I speak to him.

[H3llphyre]

Originally posted by FAST4x4
He did, salvation :) It's up to you to accept it

This is another area of contention for me. I don't really like the whole idea behind Adam and Eve damning us all from heaven and God sending down his only son to be our savior... I just don't like the whole idea. Sure, I can see Jesus coming about to come show people how they should live, preaching of his father, and so on and so forth. But, I think it is retarded that the gates were closed because of the choice of two people. Just doesnt make sense to me. Again, a little too "Old Testament" for me. It gives God too many human qualities, which I don't believe God has. If he did have human traits, he wouldn't be able to handle the stupid shit that goes on in our world. For those who believe, God is all powerful. There isnt a single thing he CAN'T do. Again, this leads into the "the bible was written by people, not God".

[H3llphyre]

Originally posted by 540Malibu
if god wants something from me, he better give me something first.

[religeous hat one]

Well, you could view it this way. He has given you something. A decent head on your shoulders and a family that has given you a decent set of morals and ethics. You could just be like the rest of the people out there and be some brain dead, ugly, unfortunate person that has received the short end of the stick.

[/religeous hat off]

[Igetlaidalot]

i completely agree with zach that buddhism is one of the few religions to get it right, mostly because its not a religion at all. depending on your definition of a religion. im more a proponent of taoism than buddhism though,but they are closely related and not mutually exclusive

organized religion is brainwashing


my major problem with religion is that the rules are all set one way and human instincts and carnal desires are the complete antithesis of what we "can" do. To me this says one of two things:

A god doesnt exist, because he wouldnt create such an inherent contradiction among men, that is far too cruel, so why worship something that doesnt exist.

B God does exist, and then hes responsible for that contradicion. thereby being directly responsible for all of the suffering in the world. and theres no way in fuck i would worship a god that would do that to his "people"


either way, i think everyone should live a good life, dont hurt people, and just be a general good moral person, and whatever you believe youll be fine. I doubt this all powerful god is so vain that he requires such constant devotion to stroke his ego. if you get the message, thats all that matters.


the main principle of taoism-shit happens. deal with it.

[Igetlaidalot]

its kind of funny, i made 5 devout catholics at my school turn into atheists. it took one class a day for three days. and that was in no way my intention, i just told them what i thought and they realized that everything they believed in wasnt based on anything they felt was worth worshipping.


i more or less consider myself an atheist, but im aware that most religions have their purpose, and i agree with a lot of eastern religious philosophy.

[ThaSac (MicZic)]

I don't need religion to be a good person, as anyone has seen in the news just cause your religious it doesn't mean shit.

I'll wake up everyday and try to live morally well and if in the end there is an after life then so be it.

And if I did live a moral life and i don't get into a "heaven" if it exists cause I didn't go to church then screw it, i don't need no heaven cause it would then become political bullshit.

Zach

[Feral]

A few things to think about (no major points)

Christianity and Islam are the only two major religions that actively recruit ... actively try and aquire new members as though it were a popularity contest. All other religions are relatively docile when it comes to recruiting and wont bother anyone else. Incidentally ... the only two world religions I have major problems with are Christianity and Islam. They both pointedly say, in no uncertain terms, follow us or go to hell. All of the other religions pretty much follow us to better yourself ... and don't have the consequences of not following them. They are entirely positive. But not christians and not muslims ... they are all fire and brimstone.

The modern concept of heaven is less than 3,000 years old. Originally, before christianity, there was the concept of an afterlife for devout Jews. It was basically a paradise you would go after you died for something like 500 years and then oblivion. However the religious leaders at the time were having problems with people not thinking this was a good enough reward so heaven was transformed into a place that you would live in forever ... eternal afterlife. Hell, on the otherhand, has been an intrinsic part of Judeo-christianity since it's inception.

Did anyone go to heaven before christianity was invented 1900 years ago?

How about now ... do buddhist monks go to hell for living their lives in the non-hostile and relatively peaceful manner they do because they believe in a false god and a false prophet??

Back to the original point ... in Islam and Christianity there is no room for any other religion ... they are right and everyone else is wrong ... kind of sad when you realize the inherent closed-mindedness of this.

Approximately 33% of the content of the Bible was stripped out by the council of Naycea (sp?) ... much of which included passages that portrayed women in both a powerful and respectful light as well as told the story of Mary Magdelen (sp?) who was Jesus' fuck-friend and portrayed her as a powerful woman. What was left of the bible after the council portrayed women as evil temptresses who needed to be strictly controlled and subjugated.

I only attack Christianity because I am more informed about it ... I'm Islam has just as many issues.


What I believe? I believe people cling to christianity and religion in general because they are afraid to die and afraid of oblivion. They can't deal with the thought that there is nothing after their last breath. Can't deal with the fact that they have no purpose for being here. Can't deal with the fact that we are just animals ... just an evolved monkey. Those people lie to themselves and seek to escape in the scripture written by a bunch of jealous men who were impotent. I believe no god or gods define my destiny and the only meaningful thing I can do in this life is to live ... live my life to the fullest and enjoy every last moment of it.

[540Malibu]

Originally posted by H3llphyre
[religeous hat one]

Well, you could view it this way. He has given you something. A decent head on your shoulders and a family that has given you a decent set of morals and ethics. You could just be like the rest of the people out there and be some brain dead, ugly, unfortunate person that has received the short end of the stick.

[/religeous hat off]

no this was done purely by darwinism.

[540Malibu]

blah blah blah....religion has caused every single problem in this world, except for my ignition box melting. So fuck all religion, treat ppl how you would like to be treated. Bow down to me or else when you die you will all tunr into dancing banana's BLAH!
:ban2: :ban2: :ban2: :ban2: :ban2: :ban2: :ban2: :ban2:

[Igetlaidalot]

its funny im taking an ethics class right now, now i understand its an intro class, but you would think that people who would take it would have some inclination towards philosophy, and thereby be at least semi-intelligent. holy shit i couldnt have been wronger if i had tried to be wronger. teh simple ideas people just cant wrap their brains around. im not tryin to put people down, but i think its amusing when a theological discussion breaks out, and someone makes a comment like "who are you to say that the bible isnt what god said" this same kid spouted incorrect catholic doctrine all semester, im continuously amused by it. maybe i should turn him atheist too.


and kurtis, the reason why islam and christianity are the only two to recruit is that....shhh...dont tell anyone...but...THEYRE THE EXACT SAME THING....

so is judaism more or less, thus forming the basis of JCI theology, judaism just doesnt believe in hell or jesus. and they dont recruit because judaism is as mucha religion as it is a nationality.

[ThaSac (MicZic)]

Originally posted by Feral
A few things to think about (no major points)

Christianity and Islam are the only two major religions that actively recruit ... actively try and aquire new members as though it were a popularity contest. All other religions are relatively docile when it comes to recruiting and wont bother anyone else. Incidentally ... the only two world religions I have major problems with are Christianity and Islam. They both pointedly say, in no uncertain terms, follow us or go to hell. All of the other religions pretty much follow us to better yourself ... and don't have the consequences of not following them. They are entirely positive. But not christians and not muslims ... they are all fire and brimstone.

The modern concept of heaven is less than 3,000 years old. Originally, before christianity, there was the concept of an afterlife for devout Jews. It was basically a paradise you would go after you died for something like 500 years and then oblivion. However the religious leaders at the time were having problems with people not thinking this was a good enough reward so heaven was transformed into a place that you would live in forever ... eternal afterlife. Hell, on the otherhand, has been an intrinsic part of Judeo-christianity since it's inception.

Did anyone go to heaven before christianity was invented 1900 years ago?

How about now ... do buddhist monks go to hell for living their lives in the non-hostile and relatively peaceful manner they do because they believe in a false god and a false prophet??

Back to the original point ... in Islam and Christianity there is no room for any other religion ... they are right and everyone else is wrong ... kind of sad when you realize the inherent closed-mindedness of this.

Approximately 33% of the content of the Bible was stripped out by the council of Naycea (sp?) ... much of which included passages that portrayed women in both a powerful and respectful light as well as told the story of Mary Magdelen (sp?) who was Jesus' fuck-friend and portrayed her as a powerful woman. What was left of the bible after the council portrayed women as evil temptresses who needed to be strictly controlled and subjugated.

I only attack Christianity because I am more informed about it ... I'm Islam has just as many issues.


What I believe? I believe people cling to christianity and religion in general because they are afraid to die and afraid of oblivion. They can't deal with the thought that there is nothing after their last breath. Can't deal with the fact that they have no purpose for being here. Can't deal with the fact that we are just animals ... just an evolved monkey. Those people lie to themselves and seek to escape in the scripture written by a bunch of jealous men who were impotent. I believe no god or gods define my destiny and the only meaningful thing I can do in this life is to live ... live my life to the fullest and enjoy every last moment of it.

Amen:thumbsup:

Zach

[H3llphyre]

Originally posted by Igetlaidalot
my major problem with religion is that the rules are all set one way and human instincts and carnal desires are the complete antithesis of what we "can" do.

That's my problem with our society. Albeit, it is STRONGLY based on christian beliefs, so they are closely tied. Our "laws" sometimes clash with our "carnal" desires. But then again, I have some fucked up views on humanity as a whole (as does kurtis).

On a side note...I don't believe in this "prove god doesnt exist". Prove to me he doesnt exist... People once thought the world was flat. People once believe there was nothing smaller then the atom. The list goes on from there. Who the fucks knows. Maybe at some point we will find some basic unit of everything that makes up our universe and it will be "God". Then, once we figure that out, we all become gods and we can fuck around with our own universes.

Think about it. If you had full reign over a universe, woudlnt you do fucked up shit. Like creating platypuses... And sex... think of how silly sex is. If there is a christian god, he has one hell of a sense of humor.

But, in my heart and mind, I am truly a scientist. Does our "soul" live on after we die? I dunno, maybe our energy does exist after our corporal death. I dunno. When someone figures it out, I will probably say "No shit. Thats cool" and move on.

More or less. I don't NOT believe in God, but I don't really believe in a god either. Contradiction? Yup. But thats what makes a good scientist and an intelligent person. Keeping your mind open to other possibilities. otherwise we would still be riding horses around and eating heavily salted meats.

[bottledbird68]

Wow, ok, since everyone else is chiming in I guess I may as well too.....
either way, i think everyone should live a good life, dont hurt people, and just be a general good moral person, and whatever you believe youll be fine. I doubt this all powerful god is so vain that he requires such constant devotion to stroke his ego. if you get the message, thats all that matters.
Exactly, when someone can explain to me why the need for constant praise maybe I'll lend a little more credence to organized religion.

What I believe? I believe people cling to christianity and religion in general because they are afraid to die and afraid of oblivion. They can't deal with the thought that there is nothing after their last breath. Can't deal with the fact that they have no purpose for being here. Can't deal with the fact that we are just animals ... just an evolved monkey. Those people lie to themselves and seek to escape in the scripture written by a bunch of jealous men who were impotent. I believe no god or gods define my destiny and the only meaningful thing I can do in this life is to live ... live my life to the fullest and enjoy every last moment of it.
Damn right. That is pretty much how I live my life. For once Feral wrote a book and I was awake enough to read it :thumbsup: Again, explain to me the why for such a thing as organized religion?

But, in my heart and mind, I am truly a scientist. Does our "soul" live on after we die? I dunno, maybe our energy does exist after our corporal death. I dunno. When someone figures it out, I will probably say "No shit. Thats cool" and move on.
And I fully agree with that. I remember back in high school science class having a similar discussion. Everyone else was talking about their believed religions and I had almost this same answer when the question was asked of me. The teacher replied with "So, your a Nihlist" I guess I agree with that if a label needs to be placed on one's faith.
Here's another questuion for you. If there is one end all be all god then why the hell are there so many varying religions? The day I get a straight, believable answer on this one is the day I may actually begin regular prayer. Who is one person to say they are better than another based on ones faith. Kinda seems contradictory doesn't it? How does it make you better? And doesn't that feeling of superiority go against the beliefs of a religion? Or, if it goes with the beliefs then what kind of religion are you involved with? Same one as Hitler?
Again, like Jay said, not saying I don't believe in a higher power, also not saying I do. Who the hell knows. If there is one thing in this life that I've learned it's that there are no absolutes. I do know one thing though. I figure that as long as I treat others as I would like to be treated and I live life to the fullest while having fun doing it then I'm pretty sure it will all work out in the end. And if it doesn't, I guess I'll see the rest of you in hell.......

[grygst76]

Just to add to this captivating post; back in those days they didn't have what we have today, all they had was books and stories. Man's biggest fear even today is of the unknown. When you die where do you go?? Can anybody really say?? The bible to me was a great STORY, intended to pass the time of people who had nothing to do but bust there ass all day in a field and coming home to no t.v, no cars, e.t.c so they needed something to read. Does anyone really know where you go when you die? I do; right in the fuckin ground and that's it, since NOONE can prove it otherwise.....I have dies 3 times seriously, once from alcohol poisoning, allergic to a bee sting and didn't know it, and a car accident. I did not see a shining light leading me to heaven, I wasn't on fire, All I saw was black. NOTHING. I was revived after a few minutes each time and it was as if Nothing happened. I believe that LIFE and LIVING is heaven and hell, it's whatever you make it while your here because your not fuckin coming back so enjoy NOW and stop fuckin worrying about where you'll be when you die, you'll be in the ground taking an eternal dirt nap:thumbsup:

[ThaSac (MicZic)]

Sometimes I wish I was ignorant and believed in after life, cause thinking that you'll never know you exixted once you die really sucks, but then on the other hand you won't even know you existed so it doesn't really even matter.....wierd

Zach

[grygst76]

Tests have shown that the white light people see is actually the brain cells dying and releasing electrical energy that "looks" like a white light. I get conflicting stories from so many people about the afterlife, like My chick tells me only humans go to heaven because animals do not have a soul......HUH?? I am not scared of dying at all, because I cannot stop it, noone can noone lives forever. If there was a thing as adam and eve and jesus, why do they find 5-6 thousand year old mummies and neanderthal men and dinosaurs that were around BILLIONS of years before jesus or when god created the planet according to the bible?? No one will truly ever know the truth behind it, all I do is live day to day and worry more about where I'm going to be in the next few minutes, rather then the time I have no control over.

[ThaSac (MicZic)]

adam and eve were monkees

Zach

[Blackwidow]

Holy mother of christ ..


WTF was this post about????
i do have issues with Chrisitianity .. its meaningless .. only for the weak who just dont want to believe that when you die youre dead .. gone .. DONE .. its a way to keep psychotic lil kids in line through sunday school and the like .. but all it does is make hot girls prudent until they get their first fuck .. and turn guys into feeble minded pussy's who cant think an original thought to save their life .. instead they quote a passage from an OUTDATED book .. or refer to some poor mddle aged man that died LONG AGO .. go follow the rest of the sheep off a cliff .. dont bring your bullshit around me


.. I guess i MUST be going to hell .. along with 99.9999998% of the population according to the Bible .. hate to break it to you .. but most of the die hard christians are goin too ..

Buddhism brings reality into perspective .. harmony of you and the world you live in .. I've done extensive research in religion and its development .. Ive come to the conclusion that YOU are your own god .. you run your life and set the rules and regulations that you live your life by ..

[Blackwidow]

Oh ya i almost forgot ..













MOTHA FUCK MOTHA FUCK MOTHA MOTHA FUCK MOTHA FUCK FUCK FUCK .. BITCH:bash:

[grygst76]

Originally posted by Lil RedCorvette
Holy mother of christ ..


WTF was this post about????
i do have issues with Chrisitianity .. its meaningless .. only for the weak who just dont want to believe that when you die youre dead .. gone .. DONE .. its a way to keep psychotic lil kids in line through sunday school and the like .. but all it does is make hot girls prudent until they get their first fuck .. and turn guys into feeble minded pussy's who cant think an original thought to save their life .. instead they quote a passage from an OUTDATED book .. or refer to some poor mddle aged man that died LONG AGO .. go follow the rest of the sheep off a cliff .. dont bring your bullshit around me


.. I guess i MUST be going to hell .. along with 99.9999998% of the population according to the Bible .. hate to break it to you .. but most of the die hard christians are goin too ..

Buddhism brings reality into perspective .. harmony of you and the world you live in .. I've done extensive research in religion and its development .. Ive come to the conclusion that YOU are your own god .. you run your life and set the rules and regulations that you live your life by ..

So FUCKIN TRUE!! whooops!! looks like another 10,000 years in purgatory for me too huh???

[Blackwidow]

YOU'RE ALL GOIN TO HELL

[Blackwidow]

jesus hates people that drive too fast

[Blackwidow]

i am the devil

[grygst76]

THE STREETS WILL FLOW WITH THE BLOOD OF THE NON-BELIEVERS!!!!!!

[Igetlaidalot]

FUCK...ASS...


a penny saved is worth two in the bush

now boys..keep your mouths shut, because people in glass houses sink ships...


i gotta buy you a proverb book or somethin, this mix and match shit has got to go...







that really doesnt have to do with anything, but thats just an awesome movie, and its got religious overtones






but i think dogma is one of the best regligious commentaries out there today. and its funny as shit

those quotes arent from dogma at all, those are two separate thoughts. the next post quotes dogma

[Igetlaidalot]

i suppose anythings possible, there could be a god, but from what im seein he aint worth worshipping.


but what i DO KNOW, is that im here, right here right now, and im livin, so im going to do what will give me the best life possible, im not going to stop short or worry about some father finger shaking his finger at me from two thousand years ago saying...do it, do it and ill fuckin spank you...




the walrus and the carpenter

wait you mean you dont believe in god because of alice in wonderland

through the looking glass. that poem is an indictmen of organized religions. youve got the carpenter, an obvious reference to jesus christ, who was rasied a caprenters sun, and then you have the walrus, with his tusks , represents the indian god ganesha. now that takes care of your eastern religions. now what do these two do? they dupe all these oyesters into following them, then proceed to shuck and devour them.

well i never looked at it that way

heres what you do. take this money youve been collecting and go get yourself something nice.

alright i will

thats a girl



now heres what i dont get. you know for a FACT that there is a god, youve been in his prescence, hes spoken to you personally. yet i just hear you claim to be an atheist.

i just love to fuck with the clergy man...i LOVE to keep those guys on their toes

[TunedPort 335]

What I believe? I believe people cling to christianity and religion in general because they are afraid to die and afraid of oblivion. They can't deal with the thought that there is nothing after their last breath. Can't deal with the fact that they have no purpose for being here. Can't deal with the fact that we are just animals ... just an evolved monkey. Those people lie to themselves and seek to escape in the scripture written by a bunch of jealous men who were impotent. I believe no god or gods define my destiny and the only meaningful thing I can do in this life is to live ... live my life to the fullest and enjoy every last moment of it.

I couldn't have said it any better myself. Thats how I live my life. I always wonder whats after death... I will never know obviously, so in the meantime I'm going to live my life to the fullest...and do whatever it takes to accomplish that, until my time comes.

[FAST4x4]

ok, lol alot of contraversy going on here. Most of you know me and some of you know me well. I would not tell you there is a God if I knew myself there wasn't. I can understand alot of this coming from people you've met and don't know but I'm not one of those people. No, I don't stand on the street corner wearing a nice flashy sign or anything, I just tell people about the Lord. If you want to listen that's great, if not then it's up to you. It's not something you can make someone do, they have to have some interest in knowing whether or not He's real. So just to say, coming from someone you guys hang around with and know pretty well I can honestly say there is a God, I've met Him, seen Him, and talk with Him all the time. And no I'm not out of my tree lol you guys know I'm not that bad :) I wouldn't expect you to know what I am talking about really. It's something you would have to want to find out for yourselves, and seriously, if you really want to know you wouldn't believe yourself, it's wierd knowing there is a God and being able to talk to Him.

[Mr Joshua]

"too many christians, not enough lions"
~J

[Blackwidow]

Originally posted by FAST4x4
ok, lol alot of contraversy going on here. Most of you know me and some of you know me well. I would not tell you there is a God if I knew myself there wasn't. I can understand alot of this coming from people you've met and don't know but I'm not one of those people. No, I don't stand on the street corner wearing a nice flashy sign or anything, I just tell people about the Lord. If you want to listen that's great, if not then it's up to you. It's not something you can make someone do, they have to have some interest in knowing whether or not He's real. So just to say, coming from someone you guys hang around with and know pretty well I can honestly say there is a God, I've met Him, seen Him, and talk with Him all the time. And no I'm not out of my tree lol you guys know I'm not that bad :) I wouldn't expect you to know what I am talking about really. It's something you would have to want to find out for yourselves, and seriously, if you really want to know you wouldn't believe yourself, it's wierd knowing there is a God and being able to talk to Him.

:hmm: ok :hmm:

I feel the same way .. then the mushrooms wear off .. and the toilet becomes a toilet again .. instead of papa smurf


Dude .. God wouldnt happen to be the name of your "psychiatrist" would it?

[540Malibu]

thats not god, its the transmitter the germans put in you head to kill colonal klink.

[fiveho]

Originally posted by Black99Cobra
"too many christians, not enough lions"
~J Be polite and leave the man to his beleifs.:thumbsup:

[540Malibu]

Originally posted by fiveho
Be polite and leave the man to his beleifs.:thumbsup: this is the lounge so we can say whatever we want.....so....FUCK YOU and LEARN HOW TO SHIFT!.

[fiveho]

Originally posted by 540Malibu
this is the lounge so we can say whatever we want.....so....FUCK YOU and LEARN HOW TO SHIFT!. From here on out I will make it a point not to argue or debate with little kids.Your petulance and need to be the smartest kid(and I mean kid)wherever you go tells me that you are 1)Very lonely and bitter2)About 4'6" with not much more growing to do.So have fun in kindergarten little boy.

[TunedPort 335]

First it was bren vs. pat now its spence vs. fiveho? :eh: :hmm:

[540Malibu]

Originally posted by fiveho
From here on out I will make it a point not to argue or debate with little kids.Your petulance and need to be the smartest kid(and I mean kid)wherever you go tells me that you are 1)Very lonely and bitter2)About 4'6" with not much more growing to do.So have fun in kindergarten little boy.

call me wahtever you want but it dont change the fact you dont know how to shift.

[fiveho]

Originally posted by 540Malibu
call me wahtever you want but it dont change the fact you dont know how to shift. :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

[Blackwidow]

The lord will settle this

[Mr Joshua]

buddy jesus kicks ass :smokin:
like i said before each to his own...
i thought it was a funny quote...
too much in depth thinking going on in this topic... :D
~J

[bottledbird68]

Originally posted by FAST4x4
ok, lol alot of contraversy going on here. Most of you know me and some of you know me well. I would not tell you there is a God if I knew myself there wasn't. I can understand alot of this coming from people you've met and don't know but I'm not one of those people. No, I don't stand on the street corner wearing a nice flashy sign or anything, I just tell people about the Lord. If you want to listen that's great, if not then it's up to you. It's not something you can make someone do, they have to have some interest in knowing whether or not He's real. So just to say, coming from someone you guys hang around with and know pretty well I can honestly say there is a God, I've met Him, seen Him, and talk with Him all the time. And no I'm not out of my tree lol you guys know I'm not that bad :) I wouldn't expect you to know what I am talking about really. It's something you would have to want to find out for yourselves, and seriously, if you really want to know you wouldn't believe yourself, it's wierd knowing there is a God and being able to talk to Him. Denis, you know I know how you are and who you are and that no matter what, I don't think any less of you. I also know you don't walk around preaching. I just think you got all the responses you did because you started a topic that made people think. It's almost a shame there isn't more of a debate here but it's kinda hard when practically everyone agrees. You feel how you feel, everyone else is going to feel how they feel and in the end it doesn't change how we act towards eachother. Kudo's though for the interesting topic though. Anyone else care to take the side of religion here to really get a lively debate going? I'd hate to see it turn into a flame war against Denis. Although I'm fairly certain he wouldn't take it too personally.... :thumbsup: :cool2:

[grygst76]

Originally posted by bottledbird68
Denis, you know I know how you are and who you are and that no matter what, I don't think any less of you. I also know you don't walk around preaching. I just think you got all the responses you did because you started a topic that made people think. It's almost a shame there isn't more of a debate here but it's kinda hard when practically everyone agrees. You feel how you feel, everyone else is going to feel how they feel and in the end it doesn't change how we act towards eachother. Kudo's though for the interesting topic though. Anyone else care to take the side of religion here to really get a lively debate going? I'd hate to see it turn into a flame war against Denis. Although I'm fairly certain he wouldn't take it too personally.... :thumbsup: :cool2: Shit, I won't flame him at all; I went to catholic schools all my life!! The catholic girls were my favorite because without them I wouldn't know half the shit I do about sex :thumbsup:

Everyone has their beliefs, Of all the bad shit that happens or happened to me and then you look around and see the assholes of the world running around treating people like shit and doing whatever they fuckin want without a conscience makes you wonder what you're doing wrong.

[grygst76]

Originally posted by grygst76
Shit, I won't flame him at all; I went to catholic schools all my life!! The catholic girls were my favorite because without them I wouldn't know half the shit I do about sex :thumbsup:

Everyone has their beliefs, Of all the bad shit that happens or happened to me and then you look around and see the assholes of the world running around treating people like shit and doing whatever they fuckin want without a conscience makes you wonder what you're doing wrong.

The world IMO is going to hell in a handbasket, Why hasn't god stopped the church from allowing a gay priest to be ordained in New Hampshire? Why is there so much death and destruction? Why you can't turn on the news and hear about good things and not be tainted by all the stories of robberies, murder, rape, child molesting, and all that shit? Is it because they haven't found GOD in their lives? My question is why GOD hasn't found us?? Why do we have to look for him all the time? Aren't we gods children? Do you let your children do whatever they want? Why does he let his? Chickpea, neither chick nor pea, discuss

[fiveho]

It really isn't about taking sides.To say that God is dead or doesn't exist or hasn't done anything for me lately completely misses the point.It has nothing to do with tangible proof that God does or doesn't exist or that Buddah is better than jesus.Or even one man trading his bad habits for a bible.For anyone to chime in on this thread means that we're all sharing in one common thing.Faith.And regardless of where you put that faith,or how you go about celebrating it,that is the crux of any religion and or more importantly,any beleif system.Faith is someplace for any individual to go and have a few peaceful moments with whoever or whatever they beleive in.So when I say be polite and leave the man,or any individual to their faith,I mean have some respect and keep a polite distance,because it has nothing to do with you or your beleifs.It has to do with an individual and where he puts his own faith.For the record,I hate church.I can't be bothered with it.But I also know that I'm far more spiritual than I'll ever let on.I just pray my own way.

[H3llphyre]

Originally posted by fiveho
It really isn't about taking sides.To say that God is dead or doesn't exist or hasn't done anything for me lately completely misses the point.It has nothing to do with tangible proof that God does or doesn't exist or that Buddah is better than jesus.Or even one man trading his bad habits for a bible.For anyone to chime in on this thread means that we're all sharing in one common thing.Faith.And regardless of where you put that faith,or how you go about celebrating it,that is the crux of any religion and or more importantly,any beleif system.Faith is someplace for any individual to go and have a few peaceful moments with whoever or whatever they beleive in.So when I say be polite and leave the man,or any individual to their faith,I mean have some respect and keep a polite distance,because it has nothing to do with you or your beleifs.It has to do with an individual and where he puts his own faith.For the record,I hate church.I can't be bothered with it.But I also know that I'm far more spiritual than I'll ever let on.I just pray my own way.

Well said. You can't really argue with someone's faith, unless they don't have any. A lot of people who consider themselves religeous, actually have little faith and have only followed what others before them have told them. Dennis seems to me to have a LOT of faith and good for him. I have a lot of faith as well, just not the same kind. I still have faith in the human race, as I know there are people out there, that when I need help, they will stop what they are doing to help me out. I also live by the Golden Rule (as people have stated before). I treat people how I would want to be treated, and I think that *if* there is some Supreme being out there, he will see that as a good thing. I just don't believe in acting good because it is against the rules to act bad. Its not a good system to live by.

[540Malibu]

jesus was a communist

[grygst76]

I believe the children are our future,
teach them well and let them lead the way,
show them all the beauty they poSsess inside!!

SEXUAL CHOCOLATE EVERYONE, SEXUAL CHOCOLATE!!

( I still think that movie was fuckin hilarious)

[Feral]

I think it is important to make the distinction between faith and religion. Religion just involves a specific type of faith ... but the fact is that faith in and of itself is just believe without proof ... and I think faith is one of the most awesome things we have. I do have faith, I am just not religious. The ability to believe in the unproven is awesome ... as that is faith. Things like hunches and even intuition is just faith.

Please don't automatically associate faith with religion ...

[H3llphyre]

Originally posted by Feral
Please don't automatically associate faith with religion ...

I personally don't. There are many "religeous" people without faith, and many non-religeous people with a lot of faith. I find people without faith to be useless individuals, as they really don't believe in anything. Therefor, they are weak minded and may as well die off with all the other useless people in this world.

[FAST4x4]

Originally posted by grygst76
The world IMO is going to hell in a handbasket, Why hasn't god stopped the church from allowing a gay priest to be ordained in New Hampshire? Why is there so much death and destruction? Why you can't turn on the news and hear about good things and not be tainted by all the stories of robberies, murder, rape, child molesting, and all that shit? Is it because they haven't found GOD in their lives? My question is why GOD hasn't found us?? Why do we have to look for him all the time? Aren't we gods children? Do you let your children do whatever they want? Why does he let his? Chickpea, neither chick nor pea, discuss

Well you are right about the world going to hell, but to asnswer your questions, I might make people mad and I'm sorry if I do but there is a truth to it all, most people are "blind" to see it though. First of all the gay priest, death and destruction: This is done by people, mainly because people don't know God and choose to do what they want and how they want. Being gay is because of sin, people say they are "born" with it, which is actually true. Being gay comes from sin, and sin is actually passed from generation to generation. Say you were a Born again christian, you would raise your kids like that, they would have sin but also know what sin is and hopefully turn from it. Those that don't know sin, or believe they are not sinning will pass it down to generations, teaching their kids sin basically. Peopel get a thrill over seeing death and destruction, they think it's cool, and ratings go up, that's why it's all over the news. It's all about greed and being the best. God created us, and He knows all about us, and those that follow Him are His children, but He has placed the commandments on our hearts. That we know right from wrong, it's His teaching, when we search for God we are going to our parent for guidance and direction, He works in our lives all the time, just not many of us respond to His guidance, we rebel and do what we want anyway. God gave us free will, so yeah, we can chose to do what we want, go on our own way or ask Him for help and direction in our lives. Alot of religions look at the bible and say well God says this isn't ok and this isn't ok, but seeing how times have changed it's ok to do this now, but you still can't do that. It's God word, it doesn't change. They are there for our own good and to keep us from sin. and yes, most don't have God in their lives, that's why the world is the way it is.

response to Matt(bottledude :)) you're right, I won't take any offense to anyone bashing me, I couldn't care less lol

[Feral]

Dennis ... I certainly hope people don't start bashing you when it really is just your beliefs that they have the issue with. Lots of close-minded people (both religious and non-religious) have trouble making this distinction and it kind of pisses me off. For those of you that don't know him Dennis is a really fucking great guy and is tons of fun to hang out with and watch him catch his truck on fire or do some stupid shit ... hehe.

[Igetlaidalot]

first of all, the people who are talking about the gay priest merely assume that it must be wrong, and assume everyone agrees, so they dont even say it. it was like, yeah theres murder, rape, gay priests, theft...

being gay, be it a choice or not, is not a sin. the closemindedness of the catholic amazes me.

as for the ten commandments...
I CAN RAPE WHOEVER I WANT, AND I CAN ABUSE mY CHILDREN!!as long as i dont do it on sunday!!!


the literal characterization of catholic dogma is exactly why the catholic church is the most inherently evil organization in the world. teh silent consent of the slave trade, spanish inquisition, the neutrality on the holocaust, the crusades, abusive priests, the church is a money hungry power seeking (like the sale of indulgences, where supposedly you could just buy an "indlugence" and regardless of your actions, you would still get into heaven) The expansions of christianity has likewise led to millions of deaths.


the ideas of christianity are for the most part all well and pure, but the formation of a rigid unforgiving belief structure around those ideas has been arguably one of the worst possible things to happen to the world in the past two millenia

[jcramair1]

I must say that the Lord has helped me change my life and become a stronger person. Things have fallen into place the last 4 years with him being part of my life every day.

[FAST4x4]

Originally posted by jcramair1
I must say that the Lord has helped me change my life and become a stronger person. Things have fallen into place the last 4 years with him being part of my life every day.

sweet :)

[H3llphyre]

Originally posted by FAST4x4
Being gay is because of sin, people say they are "born" with it, which is actually true. Being gay comes from sin, and sin is actually passed from generation to generation. Say you were a Born again christian, you would raise your kids like that, they would have sin but also know what sin is and hopefully turn from it.

Um, I don't agree with this... Let's say, for instance, that God came down and said. "You know that whole gay thing. I changed my mind. Now I want you all to be Gay." Would it be so easy for you to "love" guys? Sorry, I don't buy it.

Being gay is definately a genetic mutation. It is a genetic weakness and SHOULD work its way out of our nature eventually. Well, because, two men can't have a baby, and really never should. But then again, people with horrible diseases shouldnt have children either. I've met people who were told they had to have kids before a certain age, because of their "illness". I don't believe in knowingly passing down BAD genetic code. It just goes against my "scientific" standpoint.

But, saying that, I have nothing against people who are gay. They don't interupt my life at all, much as someone with a horrible disease doesn't bother me. Shit, even redheads are a genetic mutation and a weak one at that. HAHA. That was for your Jake.

Of course, I am a social darwinist, so I have some interesting ideals about society. Ah well. just my thoughts.

And to add. I have another MAJOR issue with your statement about gays Dennis. If God is so loving, and you admit that people are born gay. How could he condem them? THat would be like saying God doesn't like black people and they should try and be white. Just can't happen.

[Feral]

Here's an interesting theory on god that I have toyed with from time to time.

Let's assume for a moment that god really is real ... not that he/she/it necessarily created everything and all that ... but that the thing people hear and feel when they pray is real and that the whole jesus bit was real too ... what kind of actual powers would god need in order to honestly convince people that he was real??

Telepathy ... would definitely need to be able to talk to people's minds.

ESP ... would definitely need to be able to read people's minds so he can tell them things that make sense to them.

Immune to normal death ... so he could pull off the whole crucifixion thing without dying and then could "rise" 3 days later and whatnot.

Shapeshifter ... so he could be jesus one day and then a bird the next ... or what have you.

Now imagine if there was this race of alien beings in this galaxy with those 4 powers and one of them happened to stumble upon mankind say 6,000 or so years ago. He decided to become "God" to the humans out of boredom (maybe his spacecraft blew up or something) and so he did just that ... manipulated people with his 4 relatively inane gifts and made everyone think him a god.

I mean think about it ... if I could find a way to communicate with a lesser being ... say an ant or something that I am sufficiently more advanced then ... then wouldn't it probably think of me as a god?? I mean I can create and destroy it's whole world ... that makes me god to it ...

Just thinking out loud. I always find it somewhat compelling when people automatically assume god is the creator when god could just be a bored and arrogant being just sufficiently more advanced than us and toying with us like sheep. Would certainly explain all the fucked up christian rules ... that's this super-being's experiment in torture ... hehe.

[Blackwidow]

"shit"




time to move on to another planet

[ZIPPY]

i read a few posts of each page and they seemed to be about the same thing basically...i didnt read all of them cause i hate the topic... not the topic in the thread..just religion in general... i was raised and brought up strictly catholic although my father is prodistantd (sp?) but my mother is what u would call a good practicing catholic(church every saturday and attends it on all those special occasions..ash wed, good fri, easter, and things of the sort)...i was sent through CCD and shit like that so that i could make my communion and confirmation....but the absolute last time i attended any kind of religus gathering was my confirmation..and i swore on that day that i would never go back to church....the whole religion just doesnt make sense to me... gather in huge crowds and worship a guy who 50% of the people believe he is their saviour and the other 50% dont even believe he existed.... im not gonna debate the idea of the existance or christ or god or whatever.... i just feel ..in lack of a better term...religion is more of a "cult" than anything...they tell u how to worship, where to worship, and why to worship... ..... shit i must be tired cause i was going somewhere with this...but i forget where:eh: ... just my .02 .... not that it adds up to much anyway.... i just believe that the only person that should have control of your life is yourself... u should be able to do what u want when u want and let your actions reflect on what kind of person u are... not what the church tells you what u should be...

* i dont want anyone to take this too seriously either... everyone is entitled to their own lives and their own ways of thinking... got to believe in something right?

:hmm:

[H3llphyre]

Originally posted by Feral
Here's an interesting theory on god that I have toyed with from time to time.

Let's assume for a moment that god really is real ... not that he/she/it necessarily created everything and all that ... but that the thing people hear and feel when they pray is real and that the whole jesus bit was real too ... what kind of actual powers would god need in order to honestly convince people that he was real??

Telepathy ... would definitely need to be able to talk to people's minds.

ESP ... would definitely need to be able to read people's minds so he can tell them things that make sense to them.

Immune to normal death ... so he could pull off the whole crucifixion thing without dying and then could "rise" 3 days later and whatnot.

Shapeshifter ... so he could be jesus one day and then a bird the next ... or what have you.

Now imagine if there was this race of alien beings in this galaxy with those 4 powers and one of them happened to stumble upon mankind say 6,000 or so years ago. He decided to become "God" to the humans out of boredom (maybe his spacecraft blew up or something) and so he did just that ... manipulated people with his 4 relatively inane gifts and made everyone think him a god.

I mean think about it ... if I could find a way to communicate with a lesser being ... say an ant or something that I am sufficiently more advanced then ... then wouldn't it probably think of me as a god?? I mean I can create and destroy it's whole world ... that makes me god to it ...

Just thinking out loud. I always find it somewhat compelling when people automatically assume god is the creator when god could just be a bored and arrogant being just sufficiently more advanced than us and toying with us like sheep. Would certainly explain all the fucked up christian rules ... that's this super-being's experiment in torture ... hehe.

I am the Lord of the Ants. All ants shall bow before me. Eh fuck it, I am bored. Time to go step on some ant hills... OH shit. Magnifying glass.... ooooohhhh. I am GOD!

[H3llphyre]

Thou art God. You grok?