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grygst76

11-12-2003, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by NickPSI
Since I haven't seen nichols in a while i'll have to put up the shield.

I'll run your lead sled anytime and show you how "slow is us"

:)

WOW, TWAN, don't get mad!!! My sled is made of steel and fiberglass and only does 12.7 in the quarter so you might win...for now.:smokin:

so your saying you will "run" my camaro and I will "drive" my camaro?? Hope you can run pretty fast! You got a deal!!!!:thumbsup:

Besides, I don't race anyone who has a picture of his muffler in his sig!! That's a true sign of BIG horsepower!!!! Or someone who loves to drink coffee!

NickPSI

11-12-2003, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by grygst76
WOW, TWAN, don't get mad!!! My sled is made of steel and fiberglass and only does 12.7 in the quarter so you might win...for now.:smokin:

so your saying you will "run" my camaro and I will "drive" my camaro?? Hope you can run pretty fast! You got a deal!!!!:thumbsup:

Besides, I don't race anyone who has a picture of his muffler in his sig!! That's a true sign of BIG horsepower!!!! Or someone who loves to drink coffee!

DONT MAKE FUN OF ME BECAUSE IM A RICER. THERES ALOT OF RICERS LIKE ME OK DONT SINGLE ME OUT!!!!

:wtf1:

grygst76

11-12-2003, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by NickPSI
DONT MAKE FUN OF ME BECAUSE IM A RICER. THERES ALOT OF RICERS LIKE ME OK DONT SINGLE ME OUT!!!!

:wtf1:

You proposed the starting..... And I was messing with you not being serious, lot's of my friends have imports, and domestics. So what?? I'm not singling you out......just pointing out the obvious so chill out, it was a joke!!!

Let me ask you a question, Why do you consider yourself a ricer?

Do you know the actual term and what it means?? Don't belittle yourself with that terminology of you:wtf2:

NickPSI

11-12-2003, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by grygst76
You proposed the starting..... And I was messing with you not being serious, lot's of my friends have imports, and domestics. So what?? I'm not singling you out......just pointing out the obvious so chill out, it was a joke!!!

Let me ask you a question, Why do you consider yourself a ricer?

Do you know the actual term and what it means?? Don't belittle yourself with that terminology of you:wtf2:

Ok I know it's hard to see sarcasm on an interwebs board.

I consider myself 10% ricer because sometimes ricey shit appeals to me, like driving a honda around at 8k RPM's no matter where you are.

And our cars would be a good race. Well, that is unless you were on street tires.... :)

grygst76

11-12-2003, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by NickPSI
Ok I know it's hard to see sarcasm on an interwebs board.

I consider myself 10% ricer because sometimes ricey shit appeals to me, like driving a honda around at 8k RPM's no matter where you are.

And our cars would be a good race. Well, that is unless you were on street tires.... :)
I have all seasons on her now and she can't hook to save her life!! And the only thing that is actually letting me get traction is my clutch has 110,00 miles on it and slips worse then grannies dentures after drinking hot coffee!!
Probobly would be a good match, who knows:thumbsup:
maybe i would after I replace the clutch and before the heads and cam go in, just to give me a rough idea what she could do again.

Blackwidow

11-12-2003, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by Brad S

ps evo >>> all cars

Did you slip and crack your fucking head open and have a doctor replace it with a banana?????

Brad S

11-12-2003, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by Lil RedCorvette
Did you slip and crack your fucking head open and have a doctor replace it with a banana?????

Yes, only it wasnt a banana, it was a rat on a wheel, now we're at the same speed. dun dun DUN........

540Malibu

11-12-2003, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by Brad S
Yes, only it wasnt a banana, it was a rat on a wheel, now we're at the same speed. dun dun DUN........

see, a RAT not a snake, cuz we all know snakes cant run....they have no legs!

Brad S

11-12-2003, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by 540Malibu
see, a RAT not a snake, cuz we all know snakes cant run....they have no legs!

They can eat a rat whole though, just like I just ate a whole chicken club from subway just now.

540Malibu

11-12-2003, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by Brad S
They can eat a rat whole though, just like I just ate a whole chicken club from subway just now.

nope rodents are indescrtuctable....hence the mongoose.

ThaSac (MicZic)

11-12-2003, 06:09 PM

But then the mongoose bike company sarted selling their shit at walmart and completely, and forever undermined the term "mongoose"

Zach

Brad S

11-12-2003, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by ThaSac (MicZic)
But then the mongoose bike company sarted selling their shit at walmart and completely, and forever undermined the term "mongoose"

Zach

So with that taken into account... dklsahfsd

540Malibu

11-13-2003, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by Brad S
So with that taken into account... dklsahfsd

7 banana's..... ah ah ah ah

Blackwidow

11-13-2003, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by Brad S
Yes, only it wasnt a banana, it was a rat on a wheel, now we're at the same speed. dun dun DUN........

theres no rat inside my head on the wheel .. its a naked lesbian slut thats runnin' the wheel .. she directs me towards the honies .. and would detroy your rat mortal combat style .. GET OVER HERE

540Malibu

11-13-2003, 12:39 AM

Originally posted by Lil RedCorvette
theres no rat inside my head on the wheel .. its a naked lesbian slut thats runnin' the wheel .. she directs me towards the honies .. and would detroy your rat mortal combat style .. GET OVER HERE

and the Guyle would come in and kick his ass with a "SONIC BOOMOOOMOOOM"

nichols

11-13-2003, 01:29 PM

Yeah, I've been a bit busy with work and stuff lately.. Haven't had much time to surf around.

I can recommend a couple:

www.evolutionm.net (all Evo stuff, and Buschur posts there)
www.teamnabr.com (lots of Evo owners in the public forum)

If you have a specific question, let me know. I know "a bit" about them, too. :thumbsup:

Oh, and I don't have a picture of my exhaust in my sig. But, I don't want to have to come over there to smack down a measly 12.7 with my ricemobile. :D

grygst76

11-13-2003, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by nichols
Yeah, I've been a bit busy with work and stuff lately.. Haven't had much time to surf around.

I can recommend a couple:

www.evolutionm.net (all Evo stuff, and Buschur posts there)
www.teamnabr.com (lots of Evo owners in the public forum)

If you have a specific question, let me know. I know "a bit" about them, too. :thumbsup:

Oh, and I don't have a picture of my exhaust in my sig. But, I don't want to have to come over there to smack down a measly 12.7 with my ricemobile. :D True, I put a total of 700.00 into a car that is still stock to run that time, how much did you spend??:worship2:
8 cylinders to work with is great:thumbsup:
I won't even add that the motor is tired with 115,000 miles on it too. (I guess I did add it after all)

Just kidding you are faster then me mad props yo..

nichols

11-13-2003, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by grygst76
True, I put a total of 700.00 into a car that is still stock to run that time, how much did you spend??:worship2:
8 cylinders to work with is great:thumbsup:
I won't even add that the motor is tired with 115,000 miles on it too. (I guess I did add it after all)

Just kidding you are faster then me mad props yo..

Very good points. However:

a. I have 105k on my motor and counting, still get 30mpg on the highway, 22ish around town. Giddyup! :thumbsup:

b. If I had to do it all over again, I could match the 12.7 on a stock car with $700. With half the cylinders still. Nyahh, nyah! :D

All in good fun.

grygst76

11-13-2003, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by nichols
Very good points. However:

a. I have 105k on my motor and counting, still get 30mpg on the highway, 22ish around town. Giddyup! :thumbsup:

b. If I had to do it all over again, I could match the 12.7 on a stock car with $700. With half the cylinders still. Nyahh, nyah! :D

All in good fun.
Not a stock LT1!!! NYAH NYAH NA NAY NYA!!!
I bet I can spend about 600.00 more and beat your time, although I would be rebuilding my motor after the second run!!
Another 1,000 into my car and I will be running your numbers.
Only because I have the new heads, Cam, PCM, and 1,000 for suspension mods. It's all good though I just want my car to be quicker not so much faster..

Feral

11-13-2003, 03:03 PM

I ran a 12.7 with about $12000 in mods (not all of which are for speed) so :flipoff2:

Then again I ran a 13.2 with about $100 in mods ... heheh. Boosted cars are nice for cheap and easy speed.

grygst76

11-13-2003, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by Feral
I ran a 12.7 with about $12000 in mods (not all of which are for speed) so :flipoff2:

Then again I ran a 13.2 with about $100 in mods ... heheh. Boosted cars are nice for cheap and easy speed.

OUCH!!! giving me the finger for modding a 4000Lb sled:thumbsup:

nichols

11-13-2003, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by grygst76
Not a stock LT1!!! NYAH NYAH NA NAY NYA!!!
I bet I can spend about 600.00 more and beat your time, although I would be rebuilding my motor after the second run!!
Another 1,000 into my car and I will be running your numbers.
Only because I have the new heads, Cam, PCM, and 1,000 for suspension mods. It's all good though I just want my car to be quicker not so much faster..

I've always wanted to see a comparison between the best power-potential v8 motor and a DSM. I talk to a lot of v8 guys, and for the money we spend on our motors, it seems like the bang for the mod buck with a DSM is just so much better.

I'd take that challenge of yours. :D

bottledbird68

11-14-2003, 04:50 AM

igotasweetride

11-14-2003, 07:02 AM

Originally posted by bottledbird68
Here's one I'd like to see. Somebody go buy a stock 1g DSM and somebody else go buy a stock 87 - 93 5.0 mustang. Both spend only $1,000 and see who comes out on top :cool2:

as long as nitrous is allowed, the stang would rape it, all it would need is nitrous with a bottle warmer and cheap slicks.

grygst76

11-14-2003, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by nichols
I've always wanted to see a comparison between the best power-potential v8 motor and a DSM. I talk to a lot of v8 guys, and for the money we spend on our motors, it seems like the bang for the mod buck with a DSM is just so much better.

I'd take that challenge of yours. :D
this will be debated forever, but the absolute truth will always be this---more cylinders=more displacement; more displacement=more power. Stock for stock and dollar for dollar nothing compares to a true muscle car versus a grocery getter period. some cars were designed to just be that. In a matter of personal preference you can have bill gates money and spend equal on both and the V8 will still come out on top hands down!!
Even bigger displacement i.e V10's and V12's dominate most sports in their class of horsepower ratings. I was part of the import crowd for a couple years, I had a 1988 supra turbo; a 1994 single turbo conversion; and a 1992 240sx which I installed the sr20DET Blacktop and for the money I spent If I was looking for raw power I never would have bought any one of them since I learned the hard way that it was too fuckin expensive. I took my bone stock camaro and sunk less then 1,000.00 into it so far and run 12.7 in the quarter, Once I put on the Heads/Cam which even though I spent about 80.00 for both let's real world compare
heads stock Ported, polished with oversized valves----1250.00
New camshaft-----250.00
PCM tune-----100.00
Drag Radials----300.00
what's the total??
And what would be the horsepower and torque?
My calculations say close to 380 with an equal or more torque but I'm not a bench racer so don't quote me.
You will spend that much alone on just the fuckin turbo without all the other goodies needed to back it up!!!
and still be 150 horse shy of what I could achieve!!
I started with more power to begin with so I will always be on top dollar for dollar, that's all it means, :thumbsup:

nichols

11-14-2003, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by grygst76
this will be debated forever, but the absolute truth will always be this---more cylinders=more displacement; more displacement=more power.

I absolutely agree with this... IF both engines have the same intake mechanism (ie, both are normally aspirated, both are blown, both are turbocharged, etc).

Once you start comparing a forced induction motor with a normally aspirated motor, all predictions get tossed out of the window. :)

You will spend that much alone on just the fuckin turbo without all the other goodies needed to back it up!!!
and still be 150 horse shy of what I could achieve!!

Truthfully, if I had a first gen DSM that I was modding from 100% stock, I'd leave the stock turbo on there unless something was drastically wrong with it. It's good for a lot more than people realize.

Either way, I ran a guy with a sprayed LX 5.0 last summer at NED all night, because he was a really cool guy and we were running so close in times (he was running high 12s and I was just a shade below that, so it really came down to who had the better tree). All he had done was throw a bottle on it. I want to say he had a 150-shot on it, but I could be wrong.

So, the question is - are high 12s the best you could do on that stock motor for $1000?

I started with more power to begin with so I will always be on top dollar for dollar, that's all it means, :thumbsup:

Not sure I agree with that either - just because you started on top with power doesn't mean the cost/HP curve is the same to *stay* on top. :thumbsup:

grygst76

11-14-2003, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by nichols
I absolutely agree with this... IF both engines have the same intake mechanism (ie, both are normally aspirated, both are blown, both are turbocharged, etc).

Once you start comparing a forced induction motor with a normally aspirated motor, all predictions get tossed out of the window. :)

Truthfully, if I had a first gen DSM that I was modding from 100% stock, I'd leave the stock turbo on there unless something was drastically wrong with it. It's good for a lot more than people realize.

Either way, I ran a guy with a sprayed LX 5.0 last summer at NED all night, because he was a really cool guy and we were running so close in times (he was running high 12s and I was just a shade below that, so it really came down to who had the better tree). All he had done was throw a bottle on it. I want to say he had a 150-shot on it, but I could be wrong.

So, the question is - are high 12s the best you could do on that stock motor for $1000?

Not sure I agree with that either - just because you started on top with power doesn't mean the cost/HP curve is the same to *stay* on top. :thumbsup:
If we stayed N/A without power adders like turbo, nitrous, supercharger, e.t.c of course we both know who will reign.
But it is hard to compare a mustang stock with a bottle to an LT1 stock with a bottle of the same year(s) because an LT1 on a 150 shot will like I said previously come close to if not beat your time, but if he was running times like yours with just a bottle I will call:bs1: on the mustang guy in the lx-5.0. No way a stock lx with just a shot of giggle juice can do low 12's period and even the mustang guys in here can chime in as well to validate that. Mustang LX's only had I think less then 250 horses and ran the quarter in 15 seconds depending on the year. The only way he could get to your level was to spray at least a 200 shot. He would have either blew his intake off or said hello to a piston in his lap!!

And 12's with 1,000.00 on my motor?? I might even best it, I am only being conservative since I am not a very good bench racer, I might even do 11.5 depending on what corners I cut to achieve that with 1,000.00 to spend maybe even less:thumbsup:

NickPSI

11-14-2003, 08:44 AM

Jay Hassinger went 12.7 on 750$ worth of mods on a 1g that was bone stock to begin with. Boost controler, full 3" exhaust, fuel pump, and race gas.

FATBLOCKMARO

11-14-2003, 10:24 AM

UNCLE BENS ...... OR HOMEADE

Devin Mac

11-14-2003, 01:50 PM

yeah, but you 8-cyl guys can stay on your high horses and play the cylinder game all you want. what about the xj220 or noble m12. those are both six cylinder engines. they're very extreme examples, but still 6cylinders. supras, 6cylinders...

and what do you 8-cyl guys say about the folks with more cylinders than you have, like the vipers and the 12cyl mercedes people. do you drop trou and bend over for them, like you always assume that all less-than-8 people should be doing for you?

plus, the thing that all you big displacement junkies seem to always conveniently overlook is weight. big motors weigh a lot. go do some research on some of the highest power/weight ratio numebrs out there and tell me how many of them have more than 6 cylinders.

yes, displacement allows you more air, which alows you to burn more fuel. but that's why boost = the replacement for displacement. boost IS displacement.

i love so-called "muscle cars" i seriously think they're the shit. but i don't want to own any of them, becasue i like to do more than go fast in a straight line.

(P.S. fuck pushrods :thumbsup: )

Blackwidow

11-14-2003, 02:19 PM

someone had a bad day at work

he's just upset his car is masculent VW beetle

grygst76

11-14-2003, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by Devin Mac
yeah, but you 8-cyl guys can stay on your high horses and play the cylinder game all you want. what about the xj220 or noble m12. those are both six cylinder engines. they're very extreme examples, but still 6cylinders. supras, 6cylinders...

and what do you 8-cyl guys say about the folks with more cylinders than you have, like the vipers and the 12cyl mercedes people. do you drop trou and bend over for them, like you always assume that all less-than-8 people should be doing for you?

plus, the thing that all you big displacement junkies seem to always conveniently overlook is weight. big motors weigh a lot. go do some research on some of the highest power/weight ratio numebrs out there and tell me how many of them have more than 6 cylinders.

yes, displacement allows you more air, which alows you to burn more fuel. but that's why boost = the replacement for displacement. boost IS displacement.

i love so-called "muscle cars" i seriously think they're the shit. but i don't want to own any of them, becasue i like to do more than go fast in a straight line.

(P.S. fuck pushrods :thumbsup: )

Good points, although stock supra vs. stock v8, the supra loses hands down as far as the other ones i.e xj220 and noble m12---we are talking cars within most peoples grasp, not exotics.

I bow down or expect people to bow down to nothing, It's only what is COMMON FACT! 8 cylinders is better then 6 or 4 period. stock for stock... now this is getting Uncle Ben's pretty quick as it always ends up and that wasn't the point. Some 8 cylinder cars blow the doors of 12 cylinders and such in stock trim...THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING!!! STOCK FOR STOCK:sleep:

Pushrods have it's good points like EASIER maintenance and you don't have to shim the rockers for every cam change and so on and so forth ANYWAYS Contrary to Uncle Ben's beliefs, stock for stock american muscle cars dominate....PERIOD.

Devin Mac

11-14-2003, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by grygst76
Good points, although stock supra vs. stock v8, the supra loses hands down as far as the other ones i.e xj220 and noble m12---we are talking cars within most peoples grasp, not exotics.

I bow down or expect people to bow down to nothing, It's only what is COMMON FACT! 8 cylinders is better then 6 or 4 period. stock for stock... now this is getting Uncle Ben's pretty quick as it always ends up and that wasn't the point. Some 8 cylinder cars blow the doors of 12 cylinders and such in stock trim...THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING!!! STOCK FOR STOCK:sleep:

Pushrods have it's good points like EASIER maintenance and you don't have to shim the rockers for every cam change and so on and so forth ANYWAYS Contrary to Uncle Ben's beliefs, stock for stock american muscle cars dominate....PERIOD.

what about evos and stis? those put down some pretty competitive stock for stock numbers with your mustangs... :eh: and they don't have 8cylinders...

trust me, i'm far from uncle bens...

also, as far as "american muscle cars" dominating. well, that's more or less trus if you really only like to go in a straight line. once you start throwing some of these cars into twisty sections and on road courses with any types of tight sections, the amercan cars fall in line pretty fuckin fast. heavy v8's don't like to handle all that well most of the time.

sure, there are exceptions, like the z06 (simply one of the more amazing machines out there). but a "stock" caterham sticks to it like glue on a roadcourse, and it damn well isn't even close to 8cylinders. cars like a lotus 340r or an exige, even a vanilla flavored elise 111s, all 4 cylinder cars, would all not be too far behind. look at some of the specs from the upcoming elise to be released in the states, sometime by summer. i think you'll be surprised at what a n/a 4cyl car can accomplish...

(P.S. fuck pushrods)

germantoy

11-14-2003, 06:01 PM

a stock 22b subie sti will fucken destroy a stock american v8 car 400 hp. out of a 2.2 4 cylinder technology is your friend

igotasweetride

11-14-2003, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by germantoy
a stock 22b subie sti will fucken destroy a stock american v8 car 400 hp. out of a 2.2 4 cylinder technology is your friend

:wtf1: i thought all other STis came with the 20? ive never heard of a 22 :eh:

germantoy

11-14-2003, 06:35 PM

thats because you dont know your japanese supercars

igotasweetride

11-14-2003, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by germantoy
thats because you dont know your japanese supercars

no shit, i havent looked at the specs on a jap STi in like 2 years. i somehow dont have the time you do to learn everything about every car in the world, how the fuck do you have the time anyways? and what happened to the cosworth? i thought of it the other day when a riced out escort cut me off on 95.

grygst76

11-14-2003, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by germantoy
thats because you dont know your japanese supercars Once again, I will say it, AMERICAN MUSCLE CARS not cars not produced in AMERICA!! They do not produce those cars here do they?? I still prove my point, sorry:sleep:

Devin Mac

11-15-2003, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by grygst76
Once again, I will say it, AMERICAN MUSCLE CARS not cars not produced in AMERICA!! They do not produce those cars here do they?? I still prove my point, sorry:sleep:

if your point is that your'e fucking ignorant about cars, and that you really just don't want to admit that there is more to motorsports than "american muscle"... well, yes, you've definately proved that point... :eh:

grygst76

11-15-2003, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by Devin Mac
if your point is that your'e fucking ignorant about cars, and that you really just don't want to admit that there is more to motorsports than "american muscle"... well, yes, you've definately proved that point... :eh:
How old are you dude and what do you do for a living?? I have been around cars since I was breast feeding, obviously noone can prove you wrong since you own every car on the planet that is stock here in the good ol' U.S of A...I'm out. I bet all you owned in your life was imports:thumbsup:

igotasweetride

11-15-2003, 09:34 AM

Devin Mac

11-15-2003, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by grygst76
How old are you dude and what do you do for a living?? I have been around cars since I was breast feeding, obviously noone can prove you wrong since you own every car on the planet that is stock here in the good ol' U.S of A...I'm out. I bet all you owned in your life was imports:thumbsup:

well, i don't think how old i am or what i do for a living are relevant, but here goes: i'm 23 and i'm a web developer.

as bryan stated, i don't drive an import. if you were bright enough to look an inch or so below my actual post you'd see in my signature that i drive a neon (two of them, sorta....). last i checked, they were made by dodge, in Belvidere, IL, and not an import. the car i drove before the neon was an import tho. nissan pathfinder. that was a fun car, i might add. and before that was a dodge dakota. also not an import...

again, i haven't claimed much, except that there is more to cars than what is built in the US and has 8 cylinders. mainly because there is more to life than driving in a straight line for 1320 feet at a time... yes, that's fun, but so is turning. :thumbsup:

so what about you, billy badass? how old are oyu and what do you do? cuz to be honest, you sound like you're between 17 and 20 years old and this mullet-mobile of yours makes you feel better about not having hair on your balls.

tell ya what, dipshit. how about i bring my "import" out sometime and we'll go zip around some twisty roads and you can try and keep up with my n/a 4 cylinders of fury... :eh:

grow up and open your fucking eyes, fan-boy. you mgiht find out that there is soemhting to like about all cars, not just heavy american ones that go fast in one direction....

ignorant fuck.

(P.S. fuck pushrods :smokin: )

Devin Mac

11-15-2003, 06:05 PM

oh, and by the way, just wanted to congratulate you on youraccomplishment of squeezing less horsepower per liter out of a motor than just about any of the 4cylinders you're bashing. kudos. :sleep:

Blackwidow

11-15-2003, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by Devin Mac
well, i don't think how old i am or what i do for a living are relevant, but here goes: i'm 23 and i'm a web developer.

as bryan stated, i don't drive an import. if you were bright enough to look an inch or so below my actual post you'd see in my signature that i drive a neon (two of them, sorta....). last i checked, they were made by dodge, in Belvidere, IL, and not an import. the car i drove before the neon was an import tho. nissan pathfinder. that was a fun car, i might add. and before that was a dodge dakota. also not an import...

again, i haven't claimed much, except that there is more to cars than what is built in the US and has 8 cylinders. mainly because there is more to life than driving in a straight line for 1320 feet at a time... yes, that's fun, but so is turning. :thumbsup:

so what about you, billy badass? how old are oyu and what do you do? cuz to be honest, you sound like you're between 17 and 20 years old and this mullet-mobile of yours makes you feel better about not having hair on your balls.

tell ya what, dipshit. how about i bring my "import" out sometime and we'll go zip around some twisty roads and you can try and keep up with my n/a 4 cylinders of fury... :eh:

grow up and open your fucking eyes, fan-boy. you mgiht find out that there is soemhting to like about all cars, not just heavy american ones that go fast in one direction....

ignorant fuck.

(P.S. fuck pushrods :smokin: )

forgot to add that you're short and you look like a leprechaun

WETDRM

11-15-2003, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by Lil RedCorvette
forgot to add that you're short and you look like a leprechaun

and that his sexuality is questionable.......:thumbsup:

grygst76

11-16-2003, 07:40 PM

fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you, Who's next??

Blackwidow

11-17-2003, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by Devin Mac
well, i don't think how old i am or what i do for a living are relevant, but here goes: i'm 23 and i'm a web developer, Im also a frequent customer at many gay bars. I enjoy anal sex, and have been known to stick 7 pushrods up my ass. I drive a Neon because im insecure with my sexuality, and because my penis is small.

(P.S. I smoke a lot of cock :smokin: )

germantoy

11-17-2003, 01:42 AM

i have the but end of a .45 with your name written all over it. YO YO YO MY FBODY RUNS LAPS ROUND DA PLANET YO I RUN TENS ON 87 OCTANE

Blackwidow

11-17-2003, 01:59 AM

by the time you shift from 1st to 5th .. i should be long gone :thumbsup: .. even in the Scirocco:bash:

Pop quiz hot shot .. you got a grape in a sling shot aimed at your balls .. what do you do .... what ... do you do

Devin Mac

11-17-2003, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by Lil RedCorvette
by the time you shift from 1st to 5th .. i should be long gone :thumbsup: .. even in the Scirocco:bash:

Pop quiz hot shot .. you got a grape in a sling shot aimed at your balls .. what do you do .... what ... do you do

can you even IMAGINE what a grape from a slingshot would do to a man's testicles? oh god...

Devin Mac

11-17-2003, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by grygst76
fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you, Who's next??

yes, now i see it.. now your point has been proven...

you're looking less and less ignorant and arrogant by the minute...

oh, wait... i was wrong. strike that, reverse it... :thumbsup:

BTW, Ken... who the hell shifts from 1st to 5th? :smokin:

grygst76

11-17-2003, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by Devin Mac
yes, now i see it.. now your point has been proven...

you're looking less and less ignorant and arrogant by the minute...

oh, wait... i was wrong. strike that, reverse it... :thumbsup:

BTW, Ken... who the hell shifts from 1st to 5th? :smokin: this went from a regular conversation to an all out pissing match so I got bored
P.S I'm 31 years old and owned more cars then you own pairs of underwear from imports to domestics so my opinions are thru research and hands on experience not bench racing so to actually prove my point I never will, you will always be right so yes, imports are better then domestic:thumbsup:

Devin Mac

11-17-2003, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by grygst76
this went from a regular conversation to an all out pissing match so I got bored
P.S I'm 31 years old and owned more cars then you own pairs of underwear from imports to domestics so my opinions are thru research and hands on experience not bench racing so to actually prove my point I never will, you will always be right so yes, imports are better then domestic:thumbsup:

my posting had very little to do with cars, actually. it was more to do with your attitude. is it so hard for people to say, "i like american cars more than imports" rather than sounding like an ingnorant fan-boy by saying "american cars will always be better than everything" ? what's the shame in admitting you have a biased opinion? everyone does. i do. saying "i like american cars and would drive them over other stuff" is awesome. saying "american cars are the end-all be-all" just makes you sound ignorant. also, your lack of attention to detail is rather annoying, seeing as i'll say ONCE AGAIN, i don't drive an import... i'm a dodge fan-boy if anything.

nichols

11-17-2003, 05:12 PM

I have a solution.

A friend of mine just picked up a '98 Mustang GT with the 4.6L v8 that needs some body work, but the engine is absolutely mint.
If I were to spend $1k, what is the best time I can legitimately expect out of that car?

If it's 12.5 or lower, the domestics win. If not, I'm going to walk all over it with a Talon on street tires with the same modification money into the car. And if that $1k includes slicks for the Mustang, it's done in a street race from a stop. :D

Feel free to discuss this, but we've all ruffled our feathers enough with the personal jibes. I think we can all keep this a little more civil.

Mr Joshua

11-18-2003, 07:00 PM

lets see $1k huh, i'm thinking a junkyard turbo's, used shorty
headers, tubing, used Bov, used boost controler, and a custom chip with D/R's would get you decent high 12's
~J

merlin

11-18-2003, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by igotasweetride
www.DSMtuners.com

pfffft DSMTooners

igotasweetride

11-18-2003, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by merlin
pfffft DSMTooners :eh: im a DSM newbie, so i just know the basics

nichols

11-19-2003, 12:39 AM

I'll say it again. :)

www.teamnabr.com - hit up the public forums.
www.evolutionm.net

Those should get you to a good start.

Blackwidow

11-19-2003, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by nichols
I have a solution.

A friend of mine just picked up a '98 Mustang GT with the 4.6L v8 that needs some body work, but the engine is absolutely mint.
If I were to spend $1k, what is the best time I can legitimately expect out of that car?

If it's 12.5 or lower, the domestics win. If not, I'm going to walk all over it with a Talon on street tires with the same modification money into the car. And if that $1k includes slicks for the Mustang, it's done in a street race from a stop. :D

Feel free to discuss this, but we've all ruffled our feathers enough with the personal jibes. I think we can all keep this a little more civil.

sigh

lets take this apple and this grape .. and you can only use pie crust .. now lets see who makes the best pie .. the apple .. or the grape .. now the grape is owned by the apple on the dinner table .. and also on the desert table .. and the grape just sucks ..

lame comparison .. we might as well just put a retarded kid against Michael Johnson in the 400 meters .. but wait .. the retard can run in track shoes but mike has to run barefoot

lame lame :lame: lame lame

Matt

11-21-2003, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by merlin
pfffft DSMTooners

dude you know repost ?

grygst76

11-21-2003, 09:18 AM

I was only implementing stock for stock in the whole thread. It is like comparing a pie to pudding. Stock 1994 z28 vs stock 94 talon, who wins? I'm not talking just straight line like everyone else is, I'm talking about put 2 great drivers behind the wheel and what do you have? How about a stock 1994 corvette vs stock 1994 supra turbo? Stock for stock american muscle cars have dominated?? How about stock buick regal turbo? Or the stock anniversary turbo trans am?? You can't compare and you can't compete---not without spending some serious coin!! Of course if let's say someone said I have a MODDED supra vs. N/A vette, fuckin of course depending on the mods the supra wins, or the modded 3000gt DUHHH!!! just dollar for dollar you cannot beat the tunability or availability of american muscle unless you have deep ass pockets.

NickPSI

11-21-2003, 09:56 AM

Ok then lets put this in perspective of the class these cars were in, on opening years.

OK then stock for stock,

90 DSM vs. 90 Mustang GT vs. 90 Camaro Z28

You can not seriously tell me that the AWD DSM would be dominated by these cars.

"just dollar for dollar you cannot beat the tunability or availability of american muscle unless you have deep ass pockets."

Ok then take these three cars once again. 120$ buys you a boost controller and a fuel pump on a DSM, then it buys you low 14's.

Spend that 120$ on either of these two cars to go low 14's.

grygst76

11-21-2003, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by NickPSI
Ok then lets put this in perspective of the class these cars were in, on opening years.

OK then stock for stock,

90 DSM vs. 90 Mustang GT vs. 90 Camaro Z28

You can not seriously tell me that the AWD DSM would be dominated by these cars.

"just dollar for dollar you cannot beat the tunability or availability of american muscle unless you have deep ass pockets."

Ok then take these three cars once again. 120$ buys you a boost controller and a fuel pump on a DSM, then it buys you low 14's.

Spend that 120$ on either of these two cars to go low 14's.
here we go again:wtf2:
I said stock for stock!! No sinking money into ANYTHING!! By the way....what the hell is a DSM?? and how come you didn't throw the regal or the TA in the mix?? And you can include factory options as well...still they come out on top!! I swear I'm not ALL AMERICAN I owned a few Jappies in my time and tuned them as well A 1990 Mustang from the factory with NO options is still faster meaning no power anything all manual except the brakes obviously.

NickPSI

11-22-2003, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by grygst76
here we go again:wtf2:
I said stock for stock!! No sinking money into ANYTHING!! By the way....what the hell is a DSM?? and how come you didn't throw the regal or the TA in the mix?? And you can include factory options as well...still they come out on top!! I swear I'm not ALL AMERICAN I owned a few Jappies in my time and tuned them as well A 1990 Mustang from the factory with NO options is still faster meaning no power anything all manual except the brakes obviously.

Wow so you have trouble comprehending sentences. Ok then, you said stock for stock. And ok, if you really want to throw in a 1990 Regal, great, i'm sure a FWD grandma ride would really help your cause.

1990 Eclipse AWD [which is a DSM, and you not knowing that shows you are a narrow minded enthusiast]

vs.

1990 Mustang GT

vs.

1990 Camaro Z28

vs.

1990 Pontiac Firebird Trans-Am

BONE STOCK

Assuming the Mustang is a 5 speed, and the f-bodies have the 5.7, which makes them AT, who do you think is the winner, in the 1/4, and on a road course?

Then you said that without deep pockets, you can't go fast in an import. So I presented to you that question. With 120$ make any of the other three cars run a low 14. and I am talking about brand new off the shelf parts.

Igetlaidalot

11-22-2003, 03:58 PM

ok im not even getting involved in this,(haha of course i am) but i must say that the import guys in this point are correct quite often. You can take a shitbox talon and throw a bc and exhaust(that put it around like low 13s, 750 bucks for a 12.5 right?) on it and it will keep up with v8s. ls1 t/as run mid 13s stock, and if you put 750 bucks into it you wont run a 12.5, unless you juice the piss out of it, and then it would be a tie

ls1s also get like 30mpg on the highway too.

imo i think that the blown 4 and 6 cyl motors have a lot more immediate potential for the money, ie its really easy to get them to run 12s, and high 11s, but i think to go beyond those numbers american v8s are a lot more cost effective to get to run 10s and 9s. and im not sure about this, but i would think any na car would be a lot better in an autocross (as long as the suspension was set up for it) than any single turbo car built to run similar numbers in the 1/4(again reset suspension) im not sure about that, i know that awd is huge in that, but na is better for autox (again unless you go tt) the last point of that conversation was pointless, but i think my point was that small blown motors=better and cheaper to get 12s, but v8s cheaper to get 10s and 9s(than imports to get 10s, 9s)

but i may be wrong

540Malibu

11-22-2003, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by NickPSI
Wow so you have trouble comprehending sentences. Ok then, you said stock for stock. And ok, if you really want to throw in a 1990 Regal, great, i'm sure a FWD grandma ride would really help your cause.

1990 Eclipse AWD [which is a DSM, and you not knowing that shows you are a narrow minded enthusiast]

vs.

1990 Mustang GT

vs.

1990 Camaro Z28

vs.

1990 Pontiac Firebird Trans-Am

BONE STOCK

Assuming the Mustang is a 5 speed, and the f-bodies have the 5.7, which makes them AT, who do you think is the winner, in the 1/4, and on a road course?

Then you said that without deep pockets, you can't go fast in an import. So I presented to you that question. With 120$ make any of the other three cars run a low 14. and I am talking about brand new off the shelf parts.

how about we make this an unbiased comparison
87 Buick Limited vs 87 DSM stock for stock who wins? keep in mind this is a family car as oposed to a performance car. Making it unfair for the domestic in this case. Lets make it equal now:
89 Trans am vs 89 DSM hmm who could posily win this one.....
91 GMC truck vs 91 DSM seems to be domestic again
92 GMC SUV vs 92 DSM domestic again
93 F-body vs 93 DSM f-body wins
94 F-body vs 94 DSM F-body wins
95 F-body vs 95 DSM f-body wins
96 F-body vs 96 DSM f-body wins
97 F-body vs 97 DSM f-body wins

seems stock for stock The DSM's you guys speak of can't hang at all with an Equal comparison, note these are all top of the line in both cases, to make the comparison fair.

NickPSI

11-22-2003, 06:29 PM

There was no AWD DSM until 1990.

In 1990, the AWD DSM's competition was the 5.7l f bodies and the mustang GT.

And in that year the 5.7l f-bodies put down around 230 at the flywheel, and were automatics.

And having witnessed a stock firebird formula 350 race a bonestock 92 AWD, with the DSM bogging a launch, still only lost by a nose. Had the DSM launched it would have been a totally different story.

And yes, after the domestic automakers stepped up after the turbo four bangers and turbo v6's started handing them their asses, then I will agree with you, the F-bodies dominated the DSM's. The mustangs still stayed the same though.

Because Ford is gay.

540Malibu

11-22-2003, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by bottledbird68
Here's one I'd like to see. Somebody go buy a stock 1g DSM and somebody else go buy a stock 87 - 93 5.0 mustang. Both spend only $1,000 and see who comes out on top :cool2:

the mustang will, becacuse you can juice it and make it weigh 2200lbs

540Malibu

11-22-2003, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by NickPSI
There was no AWD DSM until 1990.

In 1990, the AWD DSM's competition was the 5.7l f bodies and the mustang GT.

And in that year the 5.7l f-bodies put down around 230 at the flywheel, and were automatics.

And having witnessed a stock firebird formula 350 race a bonestock 92 AWD, with the DSM bogging a launch, still only lost by a nose. Had the DSM launched it would have been a totally different story.

And yes, after the domestic automakers stepped up after the turbo four bangers and turbo v6's started handing them their asses, then I will agree with you, the F-bodies dominated the DSM's. The mustangs still stayed the same though.

Because Ford is gay.

so the onyl year gm couldnt hold up was 1990.
if you can throw out the years prior to 1990 when mitsu had nothing to offer, then i can certainly throw out 1 year in the domestics lineup, im not saying ones better than the other but they were both designed for completely different purposes. and each have their own niche

NickPSI

11-22-2003, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by 540Malibu
how about we make this an unbiased comparison

Uh huh, a mullet head domestic fanboy doing this comparison is unbiased.

Unbiased would have been Feral, Jay, hell even bottledbird.

And mine is not biased. I only point out facts. I am very open minded when it comes to cars and trucks. 3/4 of my vehicles are either domestic or powered by domestic.

But don't get me wrong, no matter how many short jokes they throw at you, you still 0wn spence.

NickPSI

11-22-2003, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by 540Malibu
so the onyl year gm couldnt hold up was 1990.
if you can throw out the years prior to 1990 when mitsu had nothing to offer, then i can certainly throw out 1 year in the domestics lineup, im not saying ones better than the other but they were both designed for completely different purposes. and each have their own niche

But see, what I am saying is, the DSM was in their class. The F bodies and the rustangs. Back then, mitsu had the starion, which even the j-bodies would destroy. It wasn't until the early 90's that the real competive imports began to show up. Before the early 90's GM made some serious machines like the GN's and the Turbo T/A's. The thirdgen F-Bodies were mostly the same as the 1990 counterparts though, and the mustangs, well, were mustangs. In that time period, yes, I agree. But the invasion of the turbo imports in the early 90's is what made GM and ford up their power numbers. Otherwise we'd probably have 230 horsepower 780ci V8's powering our corvette's.

540Malibu

11-22-2003, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by Devin Mac
yeah, but you 8-cyl guys can stay on your high horses and play the cylinder game all you want. what about the xj220 or noble m12. those are both six cylinder engines. they're very extreme examples, but still 6cylinders. supras, 6cylinders...

and what do you 8-cyl guys say about the folks with more cylinders than you have, like the vipers and the 12cyl mercedes people. do you drop trou and bend over for them, like you always assume that all less-than-8 people should be doing for you?

plus, the thing that all you big displacement junkies seem to always conveniently overlook is weight. big motors weigh a lot. go do some research on some of the highest power/weight ratio numebrs out there and tell me how many of them have more than 6 cylinders.

yes, displacement allows you more air, which alows you to burn more fuel. but that's why boost = the replacement for displacement. boost IS displacement.

i love so-called "muscle cars" i seriously think they're the shit. but i don't want to own any of them, becasue i like to do more than go fast in a straight line.

(P.S. fuck pushrods :thumbsup: )

you should do the research on power to weight ratio because Hemi-monsters have the best out of any vehicle.

boost is not a replacement for displacement, its an accessory...

wait for me to get another set of wheels and tires, and ill be handing vettes there ass on a roadcoarse next year, but ill probly never run it because i dont want some gay guy in a neon denting my 1/4's.

540Malibu

11-22-2003, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by NickPSI
But see, what I am saying is, the DSM was in their class. The F bodies and the rustangs. Back then, mitsu had the starion, which even the j-bodies would destroy. It wasn't until the early 90's that the real competive imports began to show up. Before the early 90's GM made some serious machines like the GN's and the Turbo T/A's. The thirdgen F-Bodies were mostly the same as the 1990 counterparts though, and the mustangs, well, were mustangs. In that time period, yes, I agree. But the invasion of the turbo imports in the early 90's is what made GM and ford up their power numbers. Otherwise we'd probably have 230 horsepower 780ci V8's powering our corvette's.

so what? the big 3 were going at it all through the 60's and early 70's, they jsut had to build up to beat the competition like back then.