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Brad S

03-03-2004, 11:09 PM

Clutch time.. clutch time big time..

Can anyone help me out with a clutch install on a weekend, I'll buy the food! I can't do it through warranty as it turns out because they, "cant," install non ford parts.

Who's got access to a lift? With a few guys it shouldnt take more than a few hours at most I'm thinking.

540Malibu

03-03-2004, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by Brad S
Clutch time.. clutch time big time..

Can anyone help me out with a clutch install on a weekend, I'll buy the food! I can't do it through warranty as it turns out because they, "cant," install non ford parts.

Who's got access to a lift? With a few guys it shouldnt take more than a few hours at most I'm thinking.

hmmmmmm

540Malibu

03-03-2004, 11:41 PM

i have a lift, and would be willing to help out the cause, BUT i'm not sure how your car would clear to drive onto it.

383BackInBlack

03-04-2004, 08:08 AM

what are you gonna use for a clutch???

it shouldnt be a very long project at all

H3llphyre

03-04-2004, 08:30 AM

Why bother with a lift? I've seen people do it on jackstands on their back... Didn't seem like a huge deal.

Yeah spenc, I am not sure if his car would clear the ramps on your lift... of course, we could always put some 2x10's down to lengthen the ramp up on to them.

383BackInBlack

03-04-2004, 08:43 AM

if it was this sunday i may be able to lend my clutch expertise :ninja:

Devin Mac

03-04-2004, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by H3llphyre
Why bother with a lift? I've seen people do it on jackstands on their back... Didn't seem like a huge deal.

next time you need help working on one of your cars, i'm gonna zip-tie one of my jackstands onto your back and we'll see how big of a deal it is... ;-)

Brad S

03-04-2004, 11:35 AM

I could def go to the home depot and get a bunch of 2x4's made, I could just take the front bumper off the car, its like 2 bolts. Its a few weeks out atleast, I need to find out what the best clutch is for street. Then order it. If I'm taking the bumper off at the same time I might as well install my new heat exchanger while I'm at it. Although the guys at midas used a bunch of 2x4's to get it on their alignment rack, I was thinking it looked impossible.

Also we're talking about a t-56 here, will 3 guys be able to hold that when it comes down, or do we need a tranny lift?

FATBLOCKMARO

03-04-2004, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by Brad S
I could def go to the home depot and get a bunch of 2x4's made, I could just take the front bumper off the car, its like 2 bolts. Its a few weeks out atleast, I need to find out what the best clutch is for street. Then order it. If I'm taking the bumper off at the same time I might as well install my new heat exchanger while I'm at it. Although the guys at midas used a bunch of 2x4's to get it on their alignment rack, I was thinking it looked impossible.

Also we're talking about a t-56 here, will 3 guys be able to hold that when it comes down, or do we need a tranny lift?

FUCK STREET YOU NEED RACE@!@@!!!!....LOL
BRAD IM ABOUT 8-10 MIN FROM SPENCERS HOUSE ILL BE THERE TO LEND A HELPING HAND:smokin: (MORE LIKE PISS ON YOUR ROOF!!!) JK MAN ALL HONESTY WE WILL BANG IT OUT PRETTY QUICK......

Brad S

03-04-2004, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by FATBLOCKMARO
FUCK STREET YOU NEED RACE@!@@!!!!....LOL
BRAD IM ABOUT 8-10 MIN FROM SPENCERS HOUSE ILL BE THERE TO LEND A HELPING HAND:smokin: (MORE LIKE PISS ON YOUR ROOF!!!) JK MAN ALL HONESTY WE WILL BANG IT OUT PRETTY QUICK......

Thanks alot guys, I really appriciate all the support! I'm thinking not next weekend but the weekend after would be ideal. Like I said I'll buy the pizza, alot of pizza. I also need to find the right clutch, one thats going to last. I hear the spec 3 is awesome, but has no life. I might have to settle for a spec stage 2 if I don't find something better.

383BackInBlack

03-04-2004, 12:15 PM

its not that heavy at all......it weighs a little over 100lbs i think

brad, take a look at SPEC clutches....i have one and i've been having good luck with it so far, its a metallic type clutch disc, with a diaphram style pressure plate that puts out more clamp load than most of the 3 lever designs.

guys in NMRA or one of those mustang racing series are using them down to the low 9's i believe (the stage 3 clutch which is what i have)

it requires sometime to break it in, but if your not gonna drag race it, then it wont be an issue, just dont beat on it hardcore for about 500 miles.

spec clutches (http://www.specclutch.com)

383BackInBlack

03-04-2004, 12:23 PM

the stage 2 clutch for your car is a kevlar disc, and is rated to 530 ft/lbs for $339

the stage 3 is a metallic/ceramic disc rated at 695 ft/lbs for $359

the stage 3 is a fuckin vise.......but its a little rougher around the edges until you get used to it

Devin Mac

03-04-2004, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by 383BackInBlack
the stage 2 clutch for your car is a kevlar disc, and is rated to 530 ft/lbs for $339

the stage 3 is a metallic/ceramic disc rated at 695 ft/lbs for $359

the stage 3 is a fuckin vise.......but its a little rougher around the edges until you get used to it

i have a spec stg III at home waiting to go into the neon whenever i get the motor finished. everything i've heard about them say they're incredible, and last very well if you break'em in properly. it's the carbon-metallic/ceramic one. should be interesting in a neon ;-)

Brad S

03-04-2004, 01:03 PM

Apparently people like mcleod and centerforce. I called mcleod first and they suggest a clutch kit that include 26 spline input, pp, clutch, tob, and flywheel. I was like, "ok how much?" 1500

I called centerforce and told them I'm not going to be tossing slick on it and shooting for 10's so I just want to stick with the 10 spline, they told me I could upgrade to 26 for 250 and the clutch kit price will not change. They want $300 for the clutch, pp, and tob. Their fly wheel is $500 so I think I'm going to skip that. If I decide to go 26 spline I'll need a new fly wheel right? stock is 10 spline.

As of now its centerforce, I think forte stocks them, so I might walk in there and pick up the kit this week.

DevaROH

03-04-2004, 04:04 PM

dude dont bother upgrading out splines...just pick up a SPEC... i told you thats what you should get

honestly i havent heard of them burning out too quickly and mine seems to hold nicely... along with a lot of other peoples out there.

igotasweetride

03-04-2004, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by Brad S
Apparently people like mcleod and centerforce. I called mcleod first and they suggest a clutch kit that include 26 spline input, pp, clutch, tob, and flywheel. I was like, "ok how much?" 1500

I called centerforce and told them I'm not going to be tossing slick on it and shooting for 10's so I just want to stick with the 10 spline, they told me I could upgrade to 26 for 250 and the clutch kit price will not change. They want $300 for the clutch, pp, and tob. Their fly wheel is $500 so I think I'm going to skip that. If I decide to go 26 spline I'll need a new fly wheel right? stock is 10 spline.

As of now its centerforce, I think forte stocks them, so I might walk in there and pick up the kit this week.

i personally have heard nothing but bad things about centerforce being shit, not lasting and not being able to hold the power they're rated for. on the other hand,you have people here sayin the SPEC is the shit, dont buy somehting because everyone else does, buy it because it works.

Mr Joshua

03-04-2004, 04:43 PM

spec stage 3 is the way to be... i'm running a Stage II for now..
be careful putting the starter bolts back in.. they cross thread easy.. i needed a 3' extension w/ swivels to get the bolts back in.. if i did it over again, i'd try leaving the starter on.. which i don't know if it's possible or not...
i found putting the t-56 in place was a whole lot easier removing the bell housing and bolting that in place first.. then sliding the tranny in.. so i'd assume it'd be easier take it off that way... the top 2 bolts on the bell housing are a PITA if you don't take the tranny off first, then take the bellhousing off....
get a pilot bearing... you'll need it..
if ya need any help, lemmie know..
~J

Brad S

03-04-2004, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by igotasweetride
i personally have heard nothing but bad things about centerforce being shit, not lasting and not being able to hold the power they're rated for. on the other hand,you have people here sayin the SPEC is the shit, dont buy somehting because everyone else does, buy it because it works.

Well there is a reason everyone else has it bry, it works well. On the 03 cobra forums they have nothing but good things to say about the thing. But who the hell knows. Maybe a centerforce wont last 5000 miles and thats just assumed, I don't know. I guess I'll look into a spec, I just really don't want to have to do this every 10,000 miles. I want something thats going to hold the power, be ok for street, and last.

I'm open for any more info you guys have. Also bry I expect you to be help or atleast be there, you're a mad man with the hand tools hahahah

I don't know about a spec 3, people tell me thats not going to last very long and its horrible on the street. Someone was telling me as soon as you let the clutch out a tad it just grabs.

383BackInBlack

03-04-2004, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by Brad S
Apparently people like mcleod and centerforce. I called mcleod first and they suggest a clutch kit that include 26 spline input, pp, clutch, tob, and flywheel. I was like, "ok how much?" 1500

I called centerforce and told them I'm not going to be tossing slick on it and shooting for 10's so I just want to stick with the 10 spline, they told me I could upgrade to 26 for 250 and the clutch kit price will not change. They want $300 for the clutch, pp, and tob. Their fly wheel is $500 so I think I'm going to skip that. If I decide to go 26 spline I'll need a new fly wheel right? stock is 10 spline.

As of now its centerforce, I think forte stocks them, so I might walk in there and pick up the kit this week.

the only difference for the spline count would be the transmission input shaft....and it always boggled my mind why ford used those damn ten spline shafts.....so youd have to take the input shaft out of the tranny for that.

as far as centerforce goes, some people have legitemate gripes about them.....but for the most part the people that cry about them, didnt break them in correctly.

i did, and i had one in my car for over 2 years, and i made aboutn 80 or so passes on slicks with a Centerforce DF......it worked like a champ for 2 years so i have no complaints with it.

the spec is in now, and will be beat-the-fuck-out-of soon

Brad S

03-04-2004, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by 383BackInBlack
the only difference for the spline count would be the transmission input shaft....and it always boggled my mind why ford used those damn ten spline shafts.....so youd have to take the input shaft out of the tranny for that.

as far as centerforce goes, some people have legitemate gripes about them.....but for the most part the people that cry about them, didnt break them in correctly.

i did, and i had one in my car for over 2 years, and i made aboutn 80 or so passes on slicks with a Centerforce DF......it worked like a champ for 2 years so i have no complaints with it.

the spec is in now, and will be beat-the-fuck-out-of soon
What stage spec did you go with? How does it feel so far, chatter?

DevaROH

03-04-2004, 07:41 PM

brad i will just say, noyzee (TT Z28) runs a SPEC stage 3 and hes pushin close to 600 at the wheels and running 10.6's. yes there chatter...but you'll get used to it. just break in the clutch properly and you'll be fine. i drove mine for like 2000k before really getting on it

and now its perfect

Mr Joshua

03-04-2004, 08:04 PM

chatter depends on if the flywheel was resurfaced before installing the new clutch, how they broke in the clutch as well as the material it's made out of... people complained on corral that the spec II chattered... i have never felt any such thing with mine.. i followed spec's break in procedure.. and it's been fine..
i can't speak on the stage III however.. it's possible that even when broken in it might exibit chatter :eh:
~J

Brad S

03-04-2004, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by 95stang50
brad i will just say, noyzee (TT Z28) runs a SPEC stage 3 and hes pushin close to 600 at the wheels and running 10.6's. yes there chatter...but you'll get used to it. just break in the clutch properly and you'll be fine. i drove mine for like 2000k before really getting on it

and now its perfect

Ok jimmy do me a favor, ask him how many miles he's got on it and how he likes it. I know he beats it to hell with times like those.

Brad S

03-04-2004, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by Black99Cobra
chatter depends on if the flywheel was resurfaced before installing the new clutch, how they broke in the clutch as well as the material it's made out of... people complained on corral that the spec II chattered... i have never felt any such thing with mine.. i followed spec's break in procedure.. and it's been fine..
i can't speak on the stage III however.. it's possible that even when broken in it might exibit chatter :eh:
~J

I've got an aluminum stock fly wheel, its got maybe 13k on it. So while the tranny is down I might have to quickly run to a shop so they can resurface it? Its a good fly wheel, light and whatnot, but thats going to be a PITA to have to take that thing out and bring it someplace.

540Malibu

03-04-2004, 08:54 PM

540Malibu

03-04-2004, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by Brad S
I've got an aluminum stock fly wheel, its got maybe 13k on it. So while the tranny is down I might have to quickly run to a shop so they can resurface it? Its a good fly wheel, light and whatnot, but thats going to be a PITA to have to take that thing out and bring it someplace.

honestly it probably doesnt need to be redone, closest place around here to redo it would be Acme on southbridge? st. by TM.

Brad S

03-04-2004, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by 540Malibu
mcleod is the best you can get.

When it comes to tech advice you're the fucking pimp daddy.

I'll have to call them again tomorrow and see if they have a 10 spline kit with the clutch, tb, and plate. For some reason when I called they were shoving the 26 spline with a flywheel down my throat.

540Malibu

03-04-2004, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by Brad S
When it comes to tech advice you're the fucking pimp daddy.

I'll have to call them again tomorrow and see if they have a 10 spline kit with the clutch, tb, and plate. For some reason when I called they were shoving the 26 spline with a flywheel down my throat. your t56 should be a 26 spline, which is stronger than a 10 spline, their tech department is good, so when you call ask to speak to tech, and then have the tech hook you up with the sale, tell him you need a clutch for an 03 cobra making 600000bajillion rwhp, and they'll send you the good stuff. a flywheel is probably a good idea, because even though the factory one is aluminum? its not designed to handle the power you are putting to it.

H3llphyre

03-04-2004, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by Brad S
When it comes to tech advice you're the fucking pimp daddy.

I'll have to call them again tomorrow and see if they have a 10 spline kit with the clutch, tb, and plate. For some reason when I called they were shoving the 26 spline with a flywheel down my throat.

mcloed is THE best, but you are going to pay for it. it all depends if you want to be garanteed the best clutch in the world, or something that will just "do". I would personally spend the money for your car and get the mcloed.

383BackInBlack

03-04-2004, 09:10 PM

my Spec stage 3 doesnt chatter at all....except when its cold in reverse.....and its very rare......it grabs like a mofo though

mcleod stuff is good, but most of it is waaaay overpriced even considering how good it is

H3llphyre

03-04-2004, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by 540Malibu
your t56 should be a 26 spline, which is stronger than a 10 spline, their tech department is good, so when you call ask to speak to tech, and then have the tech hook you up with the sale, tell him you need a clutch for an 03 cobra making 600000bajillion rwhp, and they'll send you the good stuff. a flywheel is probably a good idea, because even though the factory one is aluminum? its not designed to handle the power you are putting to it. :stupid:

383BackInBlack

03-04-2004, 09:15 PM

if you dont buy a new flywheel, and your gonna use a SPEC or a mcleod, dont even think about not resurfacing the flywheel or you'll be taking the clutch out again soon.

any clutch disc (especially metallic) won't seat properly without a perfectly flat flywheel.

Brad S

03-04-2004, 10:00 PM

This is all awesome info guys, thank you. Their fly wheel is like ALOT of money! I'd really want to keep my stock flywheel, but getting it machined would mean my car would be sitting around for a night or two. Unless we planned it out so once the fly wheel was out someone could run, get the thing resurfaced, and get back to work.

Even if I do get the procharger, I'm not going to tune it for over 550 horse for a while, I'd want to do the fuel system right and thats going to take even more money. :lame:

Mr Joshua

03-04-2004, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by 383BackInBlack
if you dont buy a new flywheel, and your gonna use a SPEC or a mcleod, dont even think about not resurfacing the flywheel or you'll be taking the clutch out again soon.

any clutch disc (especially metallic) won't seat properly without a perfectly flat flywheel.
w3rd :thumbsup:
~J

bottledbird68

03-05-2004, 05:15 AM

Originally posted by Brad S
I just really don't want to have to do this every 10,000 miles. I want something thats going to hold the power, be ok for street, and last. The power you're looking to make is going to require constant maintenance, get used to it:thumbsup: There is no such ting as a 600 horse car that doesn't require at least occasional attention.....

bottledbird68

03-05-2004, 05:17 AM

Originally posted by 95stang50
brad i will just say, noyzee (TT Z28) runs a SPEC stage 3 and hes pushin close to 600 at the wheels and running 10.6's. yes there chatter...but you'll get used to it. just break in the clutch properly and you'll be fine. i drove mine for like 2000k before really getting on it

and now its perfect When did he run 10.60's? Last times I heard weren't even close to that?

TunedPort 335

03-05-2004, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by bottledbird68
When did he run 10.60's? Last times I heard weren't even close to that?

After he fixed his boost leakage problem. He was in a recent issue of GMHigh-Tech, they did a feature on his car. 10.6@ 132 I beleive :thumbsup:

Brad S

03-05-2004, 07:58 PM

H3llphyre

03-05-2004, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by bottledbird68
The power you're looking to make is going to require constant maintenance, get used to it:thumbsup: There is no such ting as a 600 horse car that doesn't require at least occasional attention.....

I dunno, with unlimited funds, I bet I could have a car built that made 600hp and was completely reliable. How about "There is no such thing as a 600 horse car that doesn't require at least occasional attention and doesn't cost you your first born child"?

383BackInBlack

03-06-2004, 11:01 AM

Brad S

03-06-2004, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by H3llphyre
I dunno, with unlimited funds, I bet I could have a car built that made 600hp and was completely reliable. How about "There is no such thing as a 600 horse car that doesn't require at least occasional attention and doesn't cost you your first born child"?

Assuming I don't blow out my IRS, my car should hold 600horse no problem with a procharger. In-fact I think 600RWHP on the procharger is less straining on the motor than 500 on the roots. Anyway, I ordered all the shit, I guess I'll just make a thread in the lounge so we can set this all up when everything gets here and people are around.

Adam

03-26-2004, 12:49 PM

centerforce is fucking gay i went through 2 of those like nothing, fucking gay.... i say go with that silly spec one

bren

03-26-2004, 02:09 PM

thats cuz you launched your car adam, brad is the mad HiGhWayZ AssASsinZ!

Adam

03-26-2004, 02:11 PM

lol

383BackInBlack

03-26-2004, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by Adam
centerforce is fucking gay i went through 2 of those like nothing, fucking gay.... i say go with that silly spec one

i had one last almost 2 full racing seasons with 10,000 miles of street driving too

this was on 1.6sec 60' times on slicks too, launched above 5000 rpm

if you have the flywheel milled, and break it in very carefully for at LEAST 500 miles with absolutely NO beating it whatsoever until its broken in it will be fine