Building a better mustang [Split from "lt1 tuning ?!?1?!??1"

[irishboom]

Not for nothing, but what is the kid with the mustang's name and how the hell do I get ahold of him? Is he going to join the site too? It would really help alot of stang owners on this site to have his knowledge here, that is if hes willing to share the wealth. I have alot of respect for someone who puts a set of heads on a stock 5.0 and goes and runs an 11.8!!!!!!:thumbsup: Take it easy and its good to have you here on the boards, man!

[Superskwrl]

Originally posted by irishboom
I have alot of respect for someone who puts a set of heads on a stock 5.0 and goes and runs an 11.8!!!!!!:thumbsup:

IMO any1 who claims such a thing is not bein 100% truthful

[bottledbird68]

Originally posted by Superskwrl
IMO any1 who claims such a thing is not bein 100% truthful Ya think? :thumbsup: He works for NEDyno, if I remember right his name was Paul :eh:

[96Z28SS]

Paul worked down at the shop for a bit he'd help us with the dyno days, but he got an engineering job in Vermont.

He is pretty knowledgeable with the Mustangs.

He did run a 11.8 but he did it with a true slick and dumping the clutch at 5000rpm.

I'll tell him about this board and he can respond to the stock only heads comment. :bs1:



Rob

[irishboom]

Hey skwrl boy, I saw the time slip and there were people at the track that night who were also at the dyno that day who backed up his story. I thoroughly looked at the car and he really only had an N/A stock 5.0 with the trick flow track heat heads and a set of slicks on it when he did it. Maybe a cam that he was lying about, but I doubt it. His mass air was also relocated into the fenderwell. The injectors were the stock ones for sure, as well as the TB and mass air itself, so no flow changes really. I have faith in some people that really know their shit, man. Maybe sometimes a little too much. I dont know shit, so Ive gotta believe someone knows how to tune these fuckin things. :eh:


P.S. A 1.5 60 ft time too!!!!!

[WETDRM]

Originally posted by irishboom
Hey skwrl boy, I saw the time slip and there were people at the track that night who were also at the dyno that day who backed up his story. I thoroughly looked at the car and he really only had an N/A stock 5.0 with the trick flow track heat heads and a set of slicks on it when he did it. Maybe a cam that he was lying about, but I doubt it. His mass air was also relocated into the fenderwell. The injectors were the stock ones for sure, as well as the TB and mass air itself, so no flow changes really. I have faith in some people that really know their shit, man. Maybe sometimes a little too much. I dont know shit, so Ive gotta believe someone knows how to tune these fuckin things. :eh:


P.S. A 1.5 60 ft time too!!!!!

dude theres no fucking way he did it on nothing but a head swap.:mad:

[96Z28SS]

the car has heads and an intake with long tube headers and no cats. 3.55 gears I think.
It had no sway bar and had real slicks.

it also has 100 pulls on the dyno it was tuned as much as he could, also there is no chip in it.

[pkstang]

Originally posted by irishboom
but what is the kid with the mustang's name and how the hell do I get ahold of him? Is he going to join the site too? It would really help alot of stang owners on this site to have his knowledge here, that is if hes willing to share the wealth. I have alot of respect for someone who puts a set of heads on a stock 5.0 and goes and runs an 11.8!!!!!!:thumbsup:

my car is far from stock. in fact. it hasn't been stock for a long time. as far as running 11s with stock heads goes...bob cosby did. he even ran a stock intake. look at the factory stock guys in nmra http://www.nmraracing.com/rules/factory_stock
pissible...yes
easy...NO!

[pkstang]

Originally posted by irishboom
that is if hes willing to share the wealth

some of it... :)
what year is your car?
what are you plans for it?

[96Z28SS]

See Paul the only reason they probably thought it was stock was because the things looks like a winter beater. :ak1:

Rob

[bottledbird68]

Originally posted by 96Z28SS
See Paul the only reason they probably thought it was stock was because the things looks like a winter beater. :ak1:

Rob :lol: so true.... :D

[WETDRM]

Originally posted by 96Z28SS
See Paul the only reason they probably thought it was stock was because the things looks like a winter beater. :ak1:

Rob


:lol: ...cmon...i love the way the car looks.:thumbsup:

[96Z28SS]

I'm always giving Paul a hard time!!
He is a good guy, too bad he drives a Ford though, I guess no ones perfect.

Paul and I have a bet going.

My car first pass at NED will go 11.999 or faster N/A, if not I owe him dinner if I do he owes me dinner.

Rob

[pkstang]

Originally posted by 96Z28SS
I'm always giving Paul a hard time!!
He is a good guy, too bad he drives a Ford though, I guess no ones perfect.

Paul and I have a bet going.

My car first pass at NED will go 11.999 or faster N/A, if not I owe him dinner if I do he owes me dinner.

Rob

dinner PLUS the price of admission to epping and a full tank of gas...

by the way. my car ran a 11.71. my first pass in the 11s was an 11.86. a week later i went back and ran 12.1, 11.9x, 11.9x, 11.9x and finally a 11.71 on that pass i was able to line up right after a low 9s car, which had like 20" wide slicks. i did a monster burnout and launched at 6000. yes. 6000 and dumped the clutch. this is what it ran on that pass...
1.58
7.37
91.00 (best is 91.70)
9.73
11.71
113.59 (best is 114.13)

[irishboom]

Originally posted by pkstang
some of it... :)
what year is your car?
what are you plans for it?

It is an 87 GT. Id like to run mid to high 10's all day at the track and still be able to drive and enjoy it in the street. I will buy all of the "serious" parts that I need to do so. I plan on a low compression A4 block, top of the line heads and a good size blower or turbo setup. I want it to be injected, with the AEM standalone plug n' play. I need to get some suggestions on what exactly I should do and who I should seriously go through. I just dont want to pay thousands for the dyno tuning that is supposedly involved. I mean I know that going to mass air is a must, but it was a failed attempt on my own. I could get the car to run and drive, but it would die at random times:eh: :bash: I had to tweak the TPS, turn up the timing and adjust the fuel pressure, but it still would die on me at random times,i.e. no apparent reason:eh: Respond and maybe you can give me a hand with it??????:worship2: :worship2:

[540Malibu]

Originally posted by irishboom
It is an 87 GT. Id like to run mid to high 10's all day at the track and still be able to drive and enjoy it in the street. I will buy all of the "serious" parts that I need to do so. I plan on a low compression A4 block, top of the line heads and a good size blower or turbo setup. I want it to be injected, with the AEM standalone plug n' play. I need to get some suggestions on what exactly I should do and who I should seriously go through. I just dont want to pay thousands for the dyno tuning that is supposedly involved. I mean I know that going to mass air is a must, but it was a failed attempt on my own. I could get the car to run and drive, but it would die at random times:eh: :bash: I had to tweak the TPS, turn up the timing and adjust the fuel pressure, but it still would die on me at random times,i.e. no apparent reason:eh: Respond and maybe you can give me a hand with it??????:worship2: :worship2:

if you aitn gonna spend the money on the tuning, don't bother with the EFI.

[WETDRM]

Originally posted by 540Malibu
if you aitn gonna spend the money on the tuning, don't bother with the EFI.

thats why he went to carb in the first place,but apparently he's to lazy to tune that too

[96Z28SS]

I don't get it?

Your willing to spend thousands on parts, but your not willing to spend hundreds on dyno tuning it.

I'm having a hard time understanding this?

[FATBLOCKMARO]

Originally posted by 96Z28SS
I don't get it?

Your willing to spend thousands on parts, but your not willing to spend hundreds on dyno tuning it.

I'm having a hard time understanding this?


THERE FORD GUYS ..... WHATS THERE TO UNDERSTAND:eh:

[irishboom]

Originally posted by 96Z28SS
I don't get it?

Your willing to spend thousands on parts, but your not willing to spend hundreds on dyno tuning it.

I'm having a hard time understanding this?

Im saying thousands of dollars, not hundreds. I dont mind spending some money, but I want to get it right the first time, so that I feel a sense of accomplishment from shelling out the dough it takes. I can have it tuned for aroung $600 by a guy I got hooked up with from stangnet, so thats not that big of deal anymore. Don, im just not messing with the carb right now. I will have the carb tuned for the summer and yes, I AM GIVING IT A SHOT. Also, who's the lazy one, you fat prick...(hiding behind the cavy with my sneaky eyes poking out), I remember putting numerous parts on your car. I could kill you or stuff you full of meat-filled twinkies right now!!!!!!:lol: :eh: HEE, HEE. Im going with nos system with the carb for the summer.

[WETDRM]

i remember you putting the water pump on......oh thats right ....IT LEAKS:flipoff1:

[Superskwrl]

Hey irishboom boy, AEM is speed density in fact 90% of the aftermarket EFI systems are, although aem may try and tell you in can do mass air but:no: ,and they haven't made A4 blocks for 4-5 years

If you have the $$ call "Turbo people" in NY and drop the car off @ the pro's

Good Luck

Originally posted by irishboom
I want it to be injected, with the AEM standalone plug n' play.

that is supposedly involved. I mean I know that going to mass air is a must,

[pkstang]

Originally posted by irishboom
It is an 87 GT. Id like to run mid to high 10's all day at the track and still be able to drive and enjoy it in the street. I will buy all of the "serious" parts that I need to do so. I plan on a low compression A4 block, top of the line heads and a good size blower or turbo setup. I want it to be injected, with the AEM standalone plug n' play. I need to get some suggestions on what exactly I should do and who I should seriously go through. I just dont want to pay thousands for the dyno tuning that is supposedly involved. I mean I know that going to mass air is a must, but it was a failed attempt on my own. I could get the car to run and drive, but it would die at random times:eh: :bash: I had to tweak the TPS, turn up the timing and adjust the fuel pressure, but it still would die on me at random times,i.e. no apparent reason:eh: Respond and maybe you can give me a hand with it??????:worship2: :worship2:


For starters the A4 block, is no longer manufactured and has been replaced by an even stronger R block (even though the A4 block was FAR from weak). I personally am a big fan of 351 based strokers. A factory 2-bolt 351 block can handle around 800rwhp. The 351s cranks are also good for around that but the rods and pistons are JUNK. The best part is that a 351 block is cheaper and far easier to locate/machine than the A4/R. A 408 stroker can easily make 450rwhp on all motor, which with a good driver/car/track should be enough to get into the high 10s. If that’s not enough…you can add some boost.
Just keep in mind that making that type of power requires other areas of the car to be improved. A factory T5 will not last a minute with that much power so you’ll need a tko, t56 or some type of an automatic (c4). Those 11” rotors in the front and drum brakes in the rear do not belong on a 10s car. The car will need a cage, suspension and through the floor sub-frame connectors. All these things can add up to some serious $$$.

[Five_leta]

Irishboom have you thought about different combos that would get you the numbers you want. I might not be gettin the whole picture here but just hear me out. Last issue of 5.0 Mustang had a White notch back that ran 10s. Was a stock short block with basic HCI, and a blower on it. Beleave it or not he put that power through a stock T-5, i don't personally beleave that. If he did he must have had G-Force upgrade in it. Another thing was he had 8.8 with stock Trac loc and 28 spin axles. He also had stock ECu with no tuning (dumb fuck). It can be done. You don't even need to get/find an A4. Just think of that combo i just said. If the ower had half a brain that car would and could be an 9 sec car. With tuning and a C4 with a brake. Would be a wild ride though. I know too you want streetablity so the auto would be out of the picture. The line of 10sec daily drivers is a thin one, but a line no less. There also used to be this site Alternative Auto. All mustangs on there. Two guys had fully weight GTs that ran 10.0s on stock short blocks, ported iron GT-40 heads, GT-40 intakes and C4s with brakes. These cars also pushed serious boost like 24 psi off the blower. The owners said that when the boost is down the cars are really street friendly. I wish the site was still up but I've looked alot for it and can't find it. You can make a 10 fuel injected daily driver car. But you can not leave out the TUNING. The tuning is the only thing thats goin to get you that wild ride at the track and a street friendly car. Please do some more research and think about how you are goin to get that thing in the 10s.

[Five_leta]

Oh yeah. You said you had an MAF convertion problem. Whats the deal? I converted my 88 SD to MAf a month ago. Went really smooth and had no hold ups at all. I've driven the car a few times since then. It idles fine and runs Sweet tities. Where did u get your convertion kit. PM me or just keep tell us about the MAF install. What was the first thing you did. Kinda should like the comp is missing the speed input. Thats one of the spices you are supposed to do if you don't want a stalling problem and trouble codes. Let me know what you got. I'll try to help:thumbsup:

[Superskwrl]

u mean this 1

http://www.alternativeauto.com/

That guy (lidio) is 1 of the 1st guys really modifyin mustangs before they got real popular, you may also note he is from michigan, the longer your into the whole latemodel thing the more you will notice lots of killer cars come out of that area.

He has some impressive cars, but i dont think any1 in there backyard is gonna duplicate them, just got to NED and see how many cars have all the parts and run slow

[Five_leta]

Originally posted by Superskwrl
u mean this 1

http://www.alternativeauto.com/

That guy (lidio) is 1 of the 1st guys really modifyin mustangs before they got real popular, you may also note he is from michigan, the longer your into the whole latemodel thing the more you will notice lots of killer cars come out of that area.

He has some impressive cars, but i dont think any1 in there backyard is gonna duplicate them, just got to NED and see how many cars have all the parts and run slow

I know what you are saying. I go to New England all the time. There are some people that just slap this shit together and think it will go 10 ohs. I mean they buy like the most expensive stuff and think that it's the best. I don't give to much respect to those people. I give respect to the guy whos out there with a virtually stock 5.0 and has tuned the hell out of it and it runs the doors off a car with heads and intake or whatever. Like Lidio, he's someone whos done his homework over and over and over again. About running slow is another thing too. Driver. Take a guy that has been seriously doin this since hes been 16 and he can drive his car. Now take a flamer that through together a car and watch it run shitty. There are so many variables its really rediculous. I personally think the more you research and know about what you are doing the better you and your product(car) will be. There are alot of MAGAZINE RACERS out there:no:

[bottledbird68]

Originally posted by Five_leta
There are alot of MAGAZINE RACERS out there:no: Ain't that the truth :thumbsup:

[5.0Stang]

I got to talk to Lidio once on the phone cause of my job. That guy is a very impressive man. He just spewed more Mustang information in like 10 minutes on the phone than I could imagine. If I ever have a real bad-ass Stang that I want tuned I'm driving to Michigan to Lidio's shop to have him do it.