Dyno decision... [Archive] - New England Motorsports

bottledbird68

10-27-2003, 01:20 AM

OK guys, looking for some input here. I have the option to take over the bay next to my shop the end of next month and I'm thinking of what to do with it to make it worth my while. I'm thinking it's dyno time. I'd like to go with a chassis dyno, preferrably all wheel drive as that way I can take care of everyone and I have no local competition. Obviously there are different types. What ones are the most accurate and what about reliability issues if any? I havn't done much dyno comparison shopping and I'd like some input here. Let me know what you guys think or have heard. :thumbsup:

540Malibu

10-27-2003, 01:22 AM

i think land and sea seems to be the best buy, but you could go with the more well known dynojet

540Malibu

10-27-2003, 01:24 AM

the eddy current type are supposed to be the best kind, but the water drum/ airbrakes gets the job done.

heelz19

10-27-2003, 03:19 PM

DOOOOOOOO ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!

Matt

TunedPort 335

10-27-2003, 04:08 PM

The "mustang" dyno's are the ones where each tire sits inbetween 2 rollers, those are typically more accurate...although reading lower HP numbers (thats no fun right ?) Dynojet's are more popular, and are the ones where the tire sits directly on top of one single roller, and generally read higher HP numbers.

I got my car dynoed at NEDyno in Worcester...and thats only a RWD/FWD setup, so I think an AWD one would be awesome. The DSM guys would be all over it and I bet you'd make alot of money. What they usually do at NEDyno is, they'll have group dyno days. For instance I usually go to the Fbody dyno day, about 20-25 cars show up usually, and we pay $65 for about 4-5 runs, and $10 extra for A/F readings.

I bet they make a nice profit doing the group dyno days, just shootin out some ideas though :thumbsup:

03COBRABOY

10-27-2003, 11:22 PM

i think dynojet also is the most popular. whats one of those run matt? id bet it would be paid off in a year or less with the awd option. plus u got all of us to put the word out!! i think thats an awesome idea...:thumbsup:

nichols

10-27-2003, 11:29 PM

The DynoJets are what most people use in the US, and it's considered somewhat of a standard (one roller). The Dyno Dynamics dynos are what they use in Australia and other parts of the world, and considered a standard there (two rollers). The latter typically reads lower than the former.

So, if you want a dyno that people can compare their numbers accurately to around here, get a DynoJet. The problem being, an AWD DynoJet is a bunch of cash.

Although, I will say that a ton of guys in New England DSM would be all over some local AWD dyno time, myself included. Not having to change shit around in my tranny and drop my driveshaft to dyno at a DynoJet dyno would be SOOO nice. In addition, I'm sure a bunch of WRX and Audi owners in the area would be more than willing to set up a group dyno day, too.

DevaROH

10-27-2003, 11:44 PM

def. like the idea!!! and ya, you will def. have it paid off with in a year.

bottledbird68

10-28-2003, 02:39 AM

Originally posted by Badass99RT
i think dynojet also is the most popular. whats one of those run matt? id bet it would be paid off in a year or less with the awd option. plus u got all of us to put the word out!! i think thats an awesome idea...:thumbsup: So dynojet seems to be the general consensus? I'll do some digging now and see if I can feasibly get on in the door. And thanks Jak, I was counting on the word of mouth :thumbsup:

03COBRABOY

10-28-2003, 10:43 PM

no problem...and btw im just giving them the truck...they actually gave me a good trade in so im all set.

igotasweetride

10-29-2003, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by Badass99RT
id bet it would be paid off in a year or less with the awd option.

:lol: he wishes, is it possbile, maybe, but if you saw the price tag on an AWD dynojet, youd shit yourself. a LOT of money can be made in a short time (couple years) but, it takes a HUGE investment to start, which is the reason there are so very few around.

03COBRABOY

10-29-2003, 10:53 PM

thats why matt needs to get one..:thumbsup:

H3llphyre

10-30-2003, 12:28 AM

Yup, he def needs one.

bottledbird68

10-30-2003, 01:31 AM

Originally posted by igotasweetride
:lol: he wishes, is it possbile, maybe, but if you saw the price tag on an AWD dynojet, youd shit yourself. a LOT of money can be made in a short time (couple years) but, it takes a HUGE investment to start, which is the reason there are so very few around. Hmm, they say they have an "affordable" leasing program. No prices though. Must make phone call.....

grygst76

10-30-2003, 08:20 AM

Prices of dyno's are up there!!! they start at 50,000.00 and go up from there....If you plan on doing it just make sure you hold a LOT of dyno days so you can pay the thing off. When doing engine work tell them the dyno before and after will cost roughly 100.00 and dyno/tune about 250.00 for unlimited pulls. you will have the reasonable prices and a clientele to match:thumbsup:

bottledbird68

10-31-2003, 03:06 AM

I knew the prices started around there. I have a feeling I know what I'm getting myself into but if it does what I think it will to my buisness then it will all be worth it. And yeah, I was planning on at least 2 dyno days a month, maybe more....... :thumbsup: Thanks for the pricing info too, that was the other thing I was wondering. :cool2:

GreenMachine

11-02-2003, 01:22 AM

I dynoed my car around 8 times this year and I am hooked. With out a doubt, I find 2WD DynoJet as a more attractive option! BTW there is a local AWD dyno competition, KTR has an AWD dyno in Ayer MA, right across from Ft. Devens.

DynoDynamics is a descent option if you want to cater to Subaru/Audi world and not much else. The power will be consistently 15-18% lower than DynoJet. IMHO, the two little rollers just do not give enough of contact. My 400-500hp (depending on type of dyno) Talon would not stick to just 2 rollers on DynoDynamics dyno...

DSMs can be relatively easily converted between AWD and FWD, so I would not say that are a huge factor.

Now, I recently found out that AWD DynoJet basically has an extra set of rollers for the other two wheels. The problem is that the two rollers are NOT synrchonised... So if front starts to spin faster, more torque will go to the front end, I have no idea how they can come out with any meaningful data with anything other than 4X4 cars (not AWD).

I would go with 2WD DynoJet. Which you pretty much already decided, anyway :).

Leon
RR

H3llphyre

11-02-2003, 03:15 AM

Originally posted by GreenMachine
I dynoed my car around 8 times this year and I am hooked. With out a doubt, I find 2WD DynoJet as a more attractive option! BTW there is a local AWD dyno competition, KTR has an AWD dyno in Ayer MA, right across from Ft. Devens.

DynoDynamics is a descent option if you want to cater to Subaru/Audi world and not much else. The power will be consistently 15-18% lower than DynoJet. IMHO, the two little rollers just do not give enough of contact. My 400-500hp (depending on type of dyno) Talon would not stick to just 2 rollers on DynoDynamics dyno...

DSMs can be relatively easily converted between AWD and FWD, so I would not say that are a huge factor.

Now, I recently found out that AWD DynoJet basically has an extra set of rollers for the other two wheels. The problem is that the two rollers are NOT synrchonised... So if front starts to spin faster, more torque will go to the front end, I have no idea how they can come out with any meaningful data with anything other than 4X4 cars (not AWD).

I would go with 2WD DynoJet. Which you pretty much already decided, anyway :).

Leon
RR

I was wondered if there was something tying the two sets together, so slippage like that wouldnt be an issue. No connection seems to me like a pretty bad idea.

FAST4x4

11-13-2003, 05:19 PM

I haven't looked into them at all but maybe a suggestion. What about a 2wd dyno and a expander AWD option later, like an add on, do they do that? that way you could make some cash and pay for the AWD option when you get enough cash. Just a thought :)

Mr Joshua

11-13-2003, 07:37 PM

i'v heard nasty stories about dyno jets and lowballing #'s
basically the mustang crowd hates dynojets with a passion.. yea yea mustangs suck, etc... :D
but seriously though i'd get an inground dyno..
just to let you know you'll have competition
"Newengland Dyno Tuning" is right in worcester..
if you don't have a dedicated tuner, getting one to show up to dyno days tend to be a PITA...
~J

igotasweetride

11-13-2003, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by Black99Cobra
i'v heard nasty stories about dyno jets and lowballing #'s
basically the mustang crowd hates dynojets with a passion.. yea yea mustangs suck, etc... :D
but seriously though i'd get an inground dyno..
just to let you know you'll have competition
"Newengland Dyno Tuning" is right in worcester..
if you don't have a dedicated tuner, getting one to show up to dyno days tend to be a PITA...
~J

we know NEDT is in worcester, its right around the corner, and hes actually who most of us use normally. the tuner shouldnt be a problem unless the people want a well known "tuner". there are a few guys within chicken racing that can tune things beautifly.:thumbsup:

Mr Joshua

11-13-2003, 08:47 PM

just bringing it up for the people who didn't..
tuning how though, are you refering to computer based systems like F.A.S.T or Stupid Chip (super chip), diablo, etc.. or carb/timing tuning?
~J

igotasweetride

11-13-2003, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by Black99Cobra
just bringing it up for the people who didn't..
tuning how though, are you refering to computer based systems like F.A.S.T or Stupid Chip (super chip), diablo, etc.. or carb/timing tuning?
~J

i belive they can do everything from stand alones to ford chips, but im not sure. i know they can do stand alones.

540Malibu

11-13-2003, 10:04 PM

tuning is not a problem, i am familiar with FAST and DFI Gen7, and those principles carry over to the others such as Haltech and electromotive. Carbs are a piece of cake.

and i know damn well that chicken would have no problem with the EFI stuff after seeing him drive a DSM by a palm-pilot.

Mr Joshua

11-13-2003, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by 540Malibu
and i know damn well that chicken would have no problem with the EFI stuff after seeing him drive a DSM by a palm-pilot.
cool,
and driving a dsm via palm pilot is bad ass.. i'd love to see it in person... :D
~J

bottledbird68

11-14-2003, 05:05 AM

Since this one got brought back I'll give an update. All wheel drive is definitely out of my price range for the moment. But, yes you can upgrade to it later on and that is definitely the plan if all works out ok. As far as the tuning end goes it's not really an issue. Myself and my friends have played with enough stuff that we've got that covered for the most part. So, as it stands now, in ground, 2wd chassis dyno with air fuel monitoring. Just in the process of sorting out my finances to get it in the door. No promises yet but it looks like a good possibility :cool2:

F-Bobby

11-14-2003, 06:42 AM

well matt if it does get doen i got a lot of kids who are in my autoclass who woudl lovet o have their cars dynoed come spring time. and i woudl liek to get one run with th retta before i get rid of it.

germantoy

11-14-2003, 12:58 PM

have you checke out dyna packs? Awd and rwd fwd all you do is roll them around and bolt up the hub (wheels off) to it. Pretty accurate numbers pretty affordable and guess what you can bring it to car shows VERY easily

540Malibu

11-14-2003, 02:32 PM

drive on/off is easier, no need to make a hassle and with a good amount of RWD cars around here, the ones that bolt onto the axles would probly get destroyed.

igotasweetride

11-14-2003, 05:04 PM

also, dont you need a different adapter for each bolt pattern with those dynos? and how much power could these things actually take? anywhere near 500hp each?

germantoy

11-14-2003, 06:33 PM

well considering they dyno all the lemans cars with these and ive seen a 800 whp skyline on them i dont think your going to have a problem. and just to let you know i worked with dyno jets and they are huge pieces of shit always giving inflated numbers compared to the true load bearing dynos such as dyno dynamics etc

igotasweetride

11-14-2003, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by germantoy
well considering they dyno all the lemans cars with these and ive seen a 800 whp skyline on them i dont think your going to have a problem. and just to let you know i worked with dyno jets and they are huge pieces of shit always giving inflated numbers compared to the true load bearing dynos such as dyno dynamics etc

do these have any bad side effects like in ground do with tires spinning and AWD hopping? how much weight can they hold? do you just jack up one end at a time and install them? and we like inflated numbers lol :thumbsup:

Mr Joshua

11-14-2003, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by germantoy
well considering they dyno all the lemans cars with these and ive seen a 800 whp skyline on them i dont think your going to have a problem. and just to let you know i worked with dyno jets and they are huge pieces of shit always giving inflated numbers compared to the true load bearing dynos such as dyno dynamics etc
glad i'm not the only one that feels that way about dynojets...
~J

540Malibu

11-15-2003, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by germantoy
well considering they dyno all the lemans cars with these and ive seen a 800 whp skyline on them i dont think your going to have a problem. and just to let you know i worked with dyno jets and they are huge pieces of shit always giving inflated numbers compared to the true load bearing dynos such as dyno dynamics etc

lemans cars and skylines cant rip the nose off teh ground. the hub type dynos would get ripped apart by drag cars, that is why the standard "drag" dyno is a dyno jet, as far as numbers being inflated, that is soley on the calibration.

Mr Joshua

11-15-2003, 01:05 PM

there seem to be too many coincadences where dynojets results are off, to be just a matter of calibration issues... i could see if the they were wrong by maybe 1% or 2% but i'v seen horsepower ratings off by as much as 10%.. i dunno, just seems too coincadental..
~J

igotasweetride

11-15-2003, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by Black99Cobra
there seem to be too many coincadences where dynojets results are off, to be just a matter of calibration issues... i could see if the they were wrong by maybe 1% or 2% but i'v seen horsepower ratings off by as much as 10%.. i dunno, just seems too coincadental..
~J

any machine can be calibrated to read right when they want them to, but if someone if going to keep coming back because they like the numbers that show up on the screen after their runs, then its all good :thumbsup:

Mr Joshua

11-15-2003, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by igotasweetride
any machine can be calibrated to read right when they want them to, but if someone if going to keep coming back because they like the numbers that show up on the screen after their runs, then its all good :thumbsup:
i'm sure calibration is some of the issue, with that particular model of dyno... possibly more difficult to dial in and calibrate it correctly :eh: but i think theres more to it that just that...
i'd rather have accurate figures to base future changes on.. rather than inflated #'s... #'s like that will still give you a general idea of where your modifications helped and hurt your results.. but to really plan an upgrade route you'd want #'s as close to being exact as you can get.. to reduce the potential problems and setbacks due to false readings..
using inflated #'s is fine for dyno queens, give me real #'s any day..
~J

igotasweetride

11-15-2003, 06:45 PM

H3llphyre

11-15-2003, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by Black99Cobra
i'm sure calibration is some of the issue, with that particular model of dyno... possibly more difficult to dial in and calibrate it correctly :eh: but i think theres more to it that just that...
i'd rather have accurate figures to base future changes on.. rather than inflated #'s... #'s like that will still give you a general idea of where your modifications helped and hurt your results.. but to really plan an upgrade route you'd want #'s as close to being exact as you can get.. to reduce the potential problems and setbacks due to false readings..
using inflated #'s is fine for dyno queens, give me real #'s any day..
~J

Like any measuring device out there, the more you pay, the more accurate the tool is. Dynojets are reasonably priced and with only a 10% error margin, that more or less gives you an idea of what your power is. I am sure with a few "upgrades" (possibly not from dynojet) it could be more accurate. The point it though, for the price, it isnt bad. I've personally ordered oscilliscopes that cost more then a dynojet dyno... And they are no bigger then a microwave oven. All about accuracy though. Once someone works in a field (engineering), you will realize these differences. Its all about getting a cost effective tool for your needs.

germantoy

11-15-2003, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by 540Malibu
lemans cars and skylines cant rip the nose off teh ground. the hub type dynos would get ripped apart by drag cars, that is why the standard "drag" dyno is a dyno jet, as far as numbers being inflated, that is soley on the calibration.

your ignorance is amazing please learn something about these dynos before you start posting any information. Considering the skyline that ran 11.8 stock at atco this weekend lifted the nose off the ground (no pussy faggot drag shocks) id say your spouting crap as usual. Lemans car with restrictor plates off = 1000 hp. Face it your big block toilette will have a harder time breaking this than an awd:thumbsup:

GreenMachine

11-16-2003, 10:15 AM

>there seem to be too many coincadences where dynojets results
>are off, to be just a matter of calibration issues...

This has NOT been my personal experience and that is NOT what I typically hear about Dynojets from trustworthy sources!

I dynoed my car twice in a span of couple of weeks of DSM Shootout, last July: once at Wang’s Dynojet (462hp) and later at NEDT’s Dynojet (469hp). I was pretty happy with consistency between the two dynos. At the shootout, they had a portable Dynojet where they were doing Dyno King competition. As the end of the day, I asked what was the current highest HP figure. They told me 458hp. So I paid $25, thinking that I just might win this thing if DynoJets are as consistent as everyone has told me before. It payed off, I won the competition with 461hp pull!!!

So this was 3 DynoJets with-in 2 weeks of each other. Same gas, same boost and basically the same tuning. All 3 DynoJets were with-in +/- 1%! Now, I believe that this might have been somewhat of a fluke, as even DynoJet does not claim this type of accuracy, but this does support other reports that I have heard on Dynojects.

I also find that a lot of bad mouthing of dynos comes from people who got numbers lower than they were hopping for and who immediately blamed the dyno. Since DynoJet is the most popular type of dyno in this country, they get the bulk of such false bashing...

Leon
RR

Mr Joshua

11-16-2003, 10:40 AM

i'm happy with the results i'v gotten, NEDT's dyno was very consistent with it's #'s.. being that dyno-jet supposedly has the largest userbase in the country means theres that much more chance of problems cropping up and people knowing about it... than that of a lesser used dyno companys..
if you'v gotten consistant results with the dyno's you'v been to, thats great... i'm just saying there might be more to dyno-jet's giving false #'s other than just calibration...
just things to consider when buying a dyno...
~J

540Malibu

11-16-2003, 01:23 PM

540Malibu

11-16-2003, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by GreenMachine
>there seem to be too many coincadences where dynojets results
>are off, to be just a matter of calibration issues...

This has NOT been my personal experience and that is NOT what I typically hear about Dynojets from trustworthy sources!

I dynoed my car twice in a span of couple of weeks of DSM Shootout, last July: once at Wang’s Dynojet (462hp) and later at NEDT’s Dynojet (469hp). I was pretty happy with consistency between the two dynos. At the shootout, they had a portable Dynojet where they were doing Dyno King competition. As the end of the day, I asked what was the current highest HP figure. They told me 458hp. So I paid $25, thinking that I just might win this thing if DynoJets are as consistent as everyone has told me before. It payed off, I won the competition with 461hp pull!!!

So this was 3 DynoJets with-in 2 weeks of each other. Same gas, same boost and basically the same tuning. All 3 DynoJets were with-in +/- 1%! Now, I believe that this might have been somewhat of a fluke, as even DynoJet does not claim this type of accuracy, but this does support other reports that I have heard on Dynojects.

I also find that a lot of bad mouthing of dynos comes from people who got numbers lower than they were hopping for and who immediately blamed the dyno. Since DynoJet is the most popular type of dyno in this country, they get the bulk of such false bashing...

Leon
RR

finally one of those dsm guys makes sense.......:thumbsup:

time for the 16xgb9000 viscous prop shaft removal upgrade!

Mr Joshua

11-16-2003, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by 540Malibu
the only way to get real numbers is with an engine dyno, since the drivetrain can eat up more or less power given the conditions of the day.
true, theres a given percentage of roughly 15% for manuals and 18% for auto's, depending on components and temperature..
~J

igotasweetride

11-16-2003, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by Black99Cobra
true, theres a given percentage of roughly 15% for manuals and 18% for auto's, depending on components and temperature..
~J

my truck is something ridiculous like 22%, the test truck for the t-56 swap kit gained 50hp to the wheels after the swap and he has just a little more power then me:bash:

540Malibu

11-17-2003, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by Black99Cobra
true, theres a given percentage of roughly 15% for manuals and 18% for auto's, depending on components and temperature..
~J

gm th350 stock = 30% loss
gm th400 stock = 40% loss
gm th400 mod.. = 35% loss
gm M22 4 speed = 8% loss.

Mr Joshua

11-17-2003, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by 540Malibu
gm th350 stock = 30% loss
gm th400 stock = 40% loss
gm th400 mod.. = 35% loss
gm M22 4 speed = 8% loss.
holy fuckin shit.. :wtf2:
~J

Superskwrl

11-29-2003, 09:17 PM

your gonna invest 50k into a machine that is not gonna be operating everyday, and there is another guy 10-20 miles away with the same machine and is an established business?
IMO you'd have to be in boston near 1 of the ricer shop to make any $$ and even then i'm not sure because BPG had a dyno and went out of business, i think the low low payments are like 700$ month, and if your lucky you'll make that on 2 dyno days, because imo dyno days are for cheap skates

Not tryin to flame, just not gonna encourage some1 into something that most who are encouragign you dont know a whole lot about

Good Luck

igotasweetride

11-30-2003, 07:50 AM

540Malibu

11-30-2003, 03:25 PM

i'd rather use chickens dyno. it comes with membership benefits.

Superskwrl

11-30-2003, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by 540Malibu
i'd rather use chickens dyno. it comes with membership benefits.

But does it pay chickens bills?

And there are 3 AWD dynos within 150 miles of each other, and at least 5 rw dynos

The awd are over 100k, thats along loan/lease, he'd better off (from a cost vs. profit standlpoint) buyin a tubing bender for 10k and making exhaust's @ 500

TunedPort 335

11-30-2003, 05:46 PM

Chicken's Customs Exhaust systems :smokin: Sounds pretty cool. Maybe you should get a tubing bender, Matt :thumbsup:

igotasweetride

11-30-2003, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by Superskwrl
But does it pay chickens bills?

And there are 3 AWD dynos within 150 miles of each other, and at least 5 rw dynos

The awd are over 100k, thats along loan/lease, he'd better off (from a cost vs. profit standlpoint) buyin a tubing bender for 10k and making exhaust's @ 500

i know there are 3 within 150 miles of each other, but i really dont feel like drivin 3 hours each way to dyno. how many body shops are there around with frame machines and tools out the ass? i know they have more in tools and a frame machine then a RWD dyno cost. and no need for an ehaust shop, matt already has a guy who does sweet stuff CHEAP. and im sure the tubing bender will come in handy, but thats gonna be needed for tube frames :thumbsup:

bottledbird68

11-30-2003, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by Superskwrl
your gonna invest 50k into a machine that is not gonna be operating everyday, and there is another guy 10-20 miles away with the same machine and is an established business?
IMO you'd have to be in boston near 1 of the ricer shop to make any $$ and even then i'm not sure because BPG had a dyno and went out of business, i think the low low payments are like 700$ month, and if your lucky you'll make that on 2 dyno days, because imo dyno days are for cheap skates

Not tryin to flame, just not gonna encourage some1 into something that most who are encouragign you dont know a whole lot about

Good Luck First off it's far less than 50K for the unit I'm looking into. I understand your concerns and have the same ones myself however when I take two steps back and look at the big picture it makes perfect sense for me. Dyno days may be for cheapskates, however they also pay the bills regardless. A bunch of people on one "cheapskate" day pays for the dyno for that month. I also realize that there is another local dyno. But, telling me not to put in a dyno because of him is like telling me not to open a bodyshop in my area because there are 6 of them within 3 minutes of my shop. Well, that holds no weight to me as I've only been open for a few months and already have more work than I can handle myself. With the right buisness sense and the right marketing there is no reason I can't compete. That and reason #1 for me is personal use. I plan to be doing a lot of racing either this upcoming season or the next (as soon as I can take weekends away from the shop ) and having a dyno for tuning purposes available to me will be invaluable. Ever heard the old adage win on sunday, sell on monday? Plus I can use it to help sell upgrades to the less well informed. If I can actually show people what they will get for their money I can use it as a sales tool. I see no reason why with all that I can't at least make the dyno pay for itself. I'm not looking to get rich with it or use it every day and yes it is an expensive piece of equipment but then again, I don't use every other tool in the shop every day either. It's a nice item to have for my own personal use if nothing else, it's just a bonus that I can make it pay for itself. The only issue right now is the down payment to get it in the door, and that, with any luck, isn't that far off either :thumbsup:

bottledbird68

11-30-2003, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by igotasweetride
and im sure the tubing bender will come in handy, but thats gonna be needed for tube frames :thumbsup: Exactly why I plan on picking one up in the near future. Just a cheap manual one for now. That should be just fine for what I want to do. I have no desire to do exhaust work, just roll cages and custom framework. Last I heard the local chassis shop in the area closed up. I'm seeing a niche I need to fill :thumbsup:

Chuckblvd

11-30-2003, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by bottledbird68
Exactly why I plan on picking one up in the near future. Just a cheap manual one for now. That should be just fine for what I want to do. I have no desire to do exhaust work, just roll cages and custom framework. Last I heard the local chassis shop in the area closed up. I'm seeing a niche I need to fill :thumbsup:
Which one would that be?

Superskwrl

11-30-2003, 10:23 PM

I wish you all the best, if i had the $$ i'd have a chassis dyno,eninge dyno,tig welder, and i'd bet all my friends would encourage me to buy any and all of them.

As for the body shop business Vs. Dyno, i think you said it yourself only open a few months and are overbooked, well go to any dyno and show me 1 that is even booked even 1/4 booked. I have NEVER been turned away from any chassis dyno the only reason I woudn't get in is because simply the guy wouldn't be there @ a time thats good for me

Generally speaking when the dyno is running nothin else gets done in the shop.

Again, i wish you all the best, if you were closer and i'd seen your body work, i have a car i'd have you do

Good Luck

bottledbird68

11-30-2003, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by Superskwrl
I wish you all the best, if i had the $$ i'd have a chassis dyno,eninge dyno,tig welder, and i'd bet all my friends would encourage me to buy any and all of them.

As for the body shop business Vs. Dyno, i think you said it yourself only open a few months and are overbooked, well go to any dyno and show me 1 that is even booked even 1/4 booked. I have NEVER been turned away from any chassis dyno the only reason I woudn't get in is because simply the guy wouldn't be there @ a time thats good for me

Generally speaking when the dyno is running nothin else gets done in the shop.

Again, i wish you all the best, if you were closer and i'd seen your body work, i have a car i'd have you do

Good Luck Exactly my point, I don't need the dyno to eat and pay the bills, only to pay for itself. And I don't see any issue with it doing at least that. That plus the fact that I usually work 2nd shift type hours and can accomodate people after they get out of work I think I have a leg up on the competition. Plus, from what I've seen a dyno isn't all that difficult to operate and I may actually be looking for help soon so I'm not too worried about it eating up all my time, and if it does, there is far worse things to worry about than having too much work.
Thanks for the vote of good luck :cool2:

P.S. Hey Chucy, Linblads

Chuckblvd

11-30-2003, 10:31 PM

Rollie closed are you serius I was just there a couple months ago:wtf2:

bottledbird68

11-30-2003, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Chuckblvd
Rollie closed are you serius I was just there a couple months ago:wtf2: Havn't been by there to verify it for myself but I can show you at least one car (heard of a few others) that was pulled out of there because he seems to have dropped oiff the face of the earth for the past couple months :eh:

Chuckblvd

11-30-2003, 10:37 PM

No shit Ill have to find out Mon. :wtf2: That sucks. Hey I wonder if he did what my pops did. One day just said fuck-it

bottledbird68

11-30-2003, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by Chuckblvd
No shit Ill have to find out Mon. :wtf2: That sucks. Hey I wonder if he did what my pops did. One day just said fuck-it He's probably down there with you. Seems all the old timers are taking off for the sunshine state lately. Guess you're just ahead of your time :thumbsup:

Flyin'A II

12-30-2003, 06:23 PM

Hi Matt. When you get up and running, sign me up for a few good pulls. Me, I'd rather give $10 extra to someone I know, than to save a little where I don't know the folks. Here in town, I pay 3 cents more a gallon for gas to help keep the last of the independants going. It probably comes out to be about a buck and a half a tank. Same principal where you're concerned.

H3llphyre

12-30-2003, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by Flyin'A II
Hi Matt. When you get up and running, sign me up for a few good pulls. Me, I'd rather give $10 extra to someone I know, than to save a little where I don't know the folks. Here in town, I pay 3 cents more a gallon for gas to help keep the last of the independants going. It probably comes out to be about a buck and a half a tank. Same principal where you're concerned.

I feel the same way. I hate walmart and the big chains. Sometimes though, I just have no choice but to go to the big places.

Mr Joshua

12-30-2003, 08:36 PM

one of the reason's i havn't been back to the dyno..
i'm waiting for it matt.. :D
~J

bottledbird68

12-31-2003, 05:50 AM

Originally posted by Black99Cobra
one of the reason's i havn't been back to the dyno..
i'm waiting for it matt.. :D
~J I'm thinking springtime. Right now I've been too busy getting caught up and the guy in the bay next to me still hasn't left so I have no room for it yet. Patience, it's near the top of my to do list :cool2:

383BackInBlack

01-12-2004, 11:55 PM

superflow makes engineering quality dyno equipment, but im sure its priced concurrently....

as far as dynojet goes,

a dynojet 224x will run you 20,000 for the base system including all the hardware, and electronics, minus the PC...software is included as well

the larger one (its a 248X i think) with 48" diameter drums starts at 30,000

both can be had for complete with all the toys for about an extra 5 grand, and those prices are shipped, the extras area a/f equipment, optical RPM pickup for diesels, etc etc

i'll give you more info when my dynojet catalog finally shows up lol:thumbsup:

96Z28SS

01-13-2004, 12:26 AM

Bottledbird,

I work at New England Dyno and Tuning. I do alot of the dynos at night and all the work on customers cars here at the shop.

I wish you luck, if you ever have any questions stop by or call there is always someone here. If I'm not at the shop just leave a number.

In the mean time if you have any customers cars that need to be dynoed we give local shops (even shops that aren't so local)discounts cause of repeat buisness.

Rob
www.nedyno.com
www.dynotune.org

383BackInBlack

01-13-2004, 02:08 AM

oh by the way....those are the prices for the in floor models....if you want the above floor models, add in the four post lift price a well lol.

H3llphyre

01-13-2004, 03:03 AM

Originally posted by 383BackInBlack
superflow makes engineering quality dyno equipment, but im sure its priced concurrently....

as far as dynojet goes,

a dynojet 224x will run you 20,000 for the base system including all the hardware, and electronics, minus the PC...software is included as well

the larger one (its a 248X i think) with 48" diameter drums starts at 30,000

both can be had for complete with all the toys for about an extra 5 grand, and those prices are shipped, the extras area a/f equipment, optical RPM pickup for diesels, etc etc

i'll give you more info when my dynojet catalog finally shows up lol:thumbsup:
He got the catalog with pricing. Same prices you listed...

bottledbird68

01-13-2004, 03:08 AM

Thanks 383, I already have their catalog and have talked with them on the phone. Just waiting for the bay next to me to open up so I have some room for it :thumbsup:

96Z, thanks for the offer. I appreciate it and just may take you up on iit in the future :cool2:

96Z28SS

01-13-2004, 09:30 AM

You need a very understanding land lord, explaining to him that there is a 5 ft deep hole in his garage floor doesn't go very well with alot of them, cause if the dyno is ever taken out its a big hole to fill.

Just remember there is alot of money to be spent after the dyno is bought.

Need a contractor to come out and jack hammer the concrete floor. A back hoe to dig a hole about 5 feet in the ground. Then a concrete foundation needs to be poured with access for all the wiring underground. Then you need to get a crane service to come out and drop the dyno into the ground cause that thing is super heavy. Then there is the final wiring and set up of the dyno.

Rob

383BackInBlack

01-13-2004, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by 96Z28SS
You need a very understanding land lord, explaining to him that there is a 5 ft deep hole in his garage floor doesn't go very well with alot of them, cause if the dyno is ever taken out its a big hole to fill.

Just remember there is alot of money to be spent after the dyno is bought.

Need a contractor to come out and jack hammer the concrete floor. A back hoe to dig a hole about 5 feet in the ground. Then a concrete foundation needs to be poured with access for all the wiring underground. Then you need to get a crane service to come out and drop the dyno into the ground cause that thing is super heavy. Then there is the final wiring and set up of the dyno.

Rob

thats why i want one.....im my own land lord.....on property thats heavy industrial zoned (no neighbor BS) and i can install the entire thing from start to finish myself. :smokin:

SickboySS

01-13-2004, 02:40 PM

i'd help out in any way i could....like with the jackhammers and stuff, on a weekend i can get you a compressor and everything you'd need, mabey even a dumptruck to take all the shit away, hell for a few bucks (cheaper than renting) i can get you a backhoe too with an operator, just keep me in mind if i ever need to make some pulls :smokin:

bottledbird68

01-14-2004, 05:19 AM

Originally posted by 96Z28SS
You need a very understanding land lord, explaining to him that there is a 5 ft deep hole in his garage floor doesn't go very well with alot of them, cause if the dyno is ever taken out its a big hole to fill.

Just remember there is alot of money to be spent after the dyno is bought.

Need a contractor to come out and jack hammer the concrete floor. A back hoe to dig a hole about 5 feet in the ground. Then a concrete foundation needs to be poured with access for all the wiring underground. Then you need to get a crane service to come out and drop the dyno into the ground cause that thing is super heavy. Then there is the final wiring and set up of the dyno.

Rob Already talked to the landlord. He's all for it. He used to race in his younger years and understands what I'm trying to do. The other good things are that my only neighbors are a biker bar and a strip club so no worries there :thumbsup: The landlord also has a backhoe and other associated equipment at my disposal. He really is an awesome guy, into ford's, but hey, can't hold that against him :D

96Z28SS

01-14-2004, 05:06 PM

Next to a biker bar and a strip club ?? sounds like my kind of place where is it ?
Its a good thing I don't have any next to me cause i wouldn't get an work done.

igotasweetride

01-14-2004, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by 96Z28SS
Next to a biker bar and a strip club ?? sounds like my kind of place where is it ?
Its a good thing I don't have any next to me cause i wouldn't get an work done.

right across from centerfolds, behind the small used car place

383BackInBlack

01-14-2004, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by bottledbird68
Already talked to the landlord. He's all for it. He used to race in his younger years and understands what I'm trying to do. The other good things are that my only neighbors are a biker bar and a strip club so no worries there :thumbsup: The landlord also has a backhoe and other associated equipment at my disposal. He really is an awesome guy, into ford's, but hey, can't hold that against him :D

need a roomate? haha

igotasweetride

01-14-2004, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by 383BackInBlack
need a roomate? haha

:lol: its not an apt, its a garage he rents. if that was a landlord at an apt i would have moved there by now :thumbsup:

383BackInBlack

01-14-2004, 07:53 PM

who wouldnt wanna live in a garage :smokin:

igotasweetride

01-14-2004, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by 383BackInBlack
who wouldnt wanna live in a garage :smokin:

true, walkin from the bedroom to the garage to work on a car sucks, it would be mint if i could wake up, go piss and walk right over in front of the TV to my engine to work

383BackInBlack

01-14-2004, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by igotasweetride
true, walkin from the bedroom to the garage to work on a car sucks, it would be mint if i could wake up, go piss and walk right over in front of the TV to my engine to work

this is very true.....but id just put a urinal next to the tv

igotasweetride

01-14-2004, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by 383BackInBlack
this is very true.....but id just put a urinal next to the tv

then youd have to smell a toilet all day, lets face it, we wouldnt be very good at cleaning it to make it smell good :thumbsup:

383BackInBlack

01-14-2004, 08:09 PM

its aight.....you get used to it

i lived at school for 5 years, you tune out smells pretty good after awhile

igotasweetride

01-14-2004, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by 383BackInBlack
its aight.....you get used to it

i lived at school for 5 years, you tune out smells pretty good after awhile

LOL, good point :thumbsup:

H3llphyre

01-15-2004, 03:04 AM

Originally posted by igotasweetride
:lol: its not an apt, its a garage he rents. if that was a landlord at an apt i would have moved there by now :thumbsup:

Haha, thats why we need you to get down there and build a loft... so we can spend more time at the strip joint. Actually, that strip joint BLOWS. Its where crack whores go when they need rock money...

bottledbird68

01-15-2004, 04:04 AM

Well, I was offered to move into the apt. above the biker bar :thumbsup: I just need to actually physically leave the parking lot every day just to maintain my sanity though..... :D

SickboySS

01-15-2004, 06:48 AM

Originally posted by igotasweetride
right across from centerfolds, behind the small used car place

i kno where you are.....right next to Marine USA and their storage area/sand pit...my pops used to work there years ago...

igotasweetride

01-15-2004, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by H3llphyre
Haha, thats why we need you to get down there and build a loft... so we can spend more time at the strip joint. Actually, that strip joint BLOWS. Its where crack whores go when they need rock money...

all you gotta do is ask. it was brought up before when he first moved in, but dropped shortly after. im pretty much out of work right now, so i got nothing to do anyways.

96Z28SS

01-15-2004, 11:47 AM

Wow I didn't relize you were so close, that is like 5 minutes away from our shop, just down rt 20 to 146.

bottledbird68

01-16-2004, 03:02 PM

Yup, I'm basically right around the corner :thumbsup: I'm just always busy as hell and I havn't had a motor in the bird worth dynoing yet :blush: You'll see me in the spring if I don't get my own in the door before then :thumbsup:

Bry, I've just been too busy to tie the shop up putting in a loft. The landlord's supposed to be giving me a 40 something foot trailer for storage as soon as he gets back up from florida so it's not a huge concern right now anyhow :cool2:

igotasweetride

01-16-2004, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by bottledbird68
Bry, I've just been too busy to tie the shop up putting in a loft. The landlord's supposed to be giving me a 40 something foot trailer for storage as soon as he gets back up from florida so it's not a huge concern right now anyhow :cool2:

lol, i wasnt bitching, just saying if i was asked it would have been done. i know how cramped you are right now, so i also know id have to make sure not to drop a 2x12 on a car which would be a fun challenge. :thumbsup: