Thinking about n20 info please

[Brad S]

I've been running into so much bad luck with money that I wont be able to do the procharger for a while. So to hold me over I guess I want to spray. Honestly I don't know how n20 really works. I'd want a wet kit, so do you need to tap the fuel lines for this? How hard is it?

In terms of tuning what do I need to do? Will I need to rent the dyno again and play mail tag sending my chip to a tuner and whatnot, or will a 75 shot be alright on my current tune?

My understanding is you want it to spray a fuel n20 mix right before the TB my main question is how are you getting that fuel.

I know I want a purge kit, remote bottle opener, polished bottle and brackets, and an automete lunar psi gauge... can anyone tell me where the best place to find all this stuff is.. any idea what kit I should go with?? any help would be awesome.

A 75 shot I hear yeilds over 120ish to the rear wheels.

[Devin Mac]

next time i see you i have a pretty good book about it you can borrow, if you want

all you ever wanted to know about nitrous and then some...

[Brad S]

Originally posted by Devin Mac
next time i see you i have a pretty good book about it you can borrow, if you want

all you ever wanted to know about nitrous and then some...

That would be cool.

[540Malibu]

#1 aluminum intake

[Brad S]

Originally posted by 540Malibu
#1 aluminum intake


Explain.

[540Malibu]

Originally posted by Brad S
Explain.

so when it hiccups, your car doesnt burn to the ground via exploding intake.

[Brad S]

Originally posted by 540Malibu
so when it hiccups, your car doesnt burn to the ground via exploding intake.

My upper is a blower..... are you talking about puddling? Hummm.

[igotasweetride]

ok, this will be a regurgitation of what i know, some is fact, some is what ive been told.


you should get a flip chip for the juice, that way when you're not running it will use your basic tune. then when you switch over it will richen it up. if they have your tune on file there and can do flip chips, they should be able to get a pretty accurate tune for a basic 75 shot.

the way nitrous works is there are two oxygen atoms and i nitrogen atom. when the explosion int he combustion chanber starts the atoms are seperated and you now have more oxygen in the cylinder then you did before. its just another way to get more air into the engine.

the reason you get 120 to the wheels with a 75 is because your blower sucks ass, it heats the intake charge so much and nitrous is almost frozen, so it cools the charge making it more dense while adding the extra air.

as for what to get and where to get it, im not sure if NX makes a polished bottle kit, but they make a nice wet kit. pretty much every company makes a wet kit, you just need a basic wet kit with a shark nozzle, nothing fancy. summit is your best bet for the kit, they have the best prices of anyone. my vendors that give me shit at cost plus shipping are the same price. i have a guy that does NX stuff and when i planned on doing the setup last summer, the NX wet kit, gen 2 upgrade (heater, blow down tube and i think purge), composite bottle and remote opener were $1300 shipped. the basic kit is $550 i belive.

[igotasweetride]

Originally posted by Brad S
My upper is a blower..... are you talking about puddling? Hummm.

i think hes not thinking about the blower, anything with a plastic intake (LS1, 4.7 magnum, and maybe stangs) if there is a small nitrous pop (backfire) it will blow the intake to shreds, its funny as hell to watch, but not when you own the car.

[383BackInBlack]

Originally posted by igotasweetride
i think hes not thinking about the blower, anything with a plastic intake (LS1, 4.7 magnum, and maybe stangs) if there is a small nitrous pop (backfire) it will blow the intake to shreds, its funny as hell to watch, but not when you own the car.

i concur

[383BackInBlack]

im gonna do some sauce on my car this spring.....im gonna go through all the hoops though so nothing stupid happens

momentary switch, throttle switch, rpm window switch, hobbs switch for fuel pressure, and nitrous timing retard.

[igotasweetride]

Originally posted by 383BackInBlack
im gonna do some sauce on my car this spring.....im gonna go through all the hoops though so nothing stupid happens

momentary switch, throttle switch, rpm window switch, hobbs switch for fuel pressure, and nitrous timing retard.

i have to pull my intake to do a new gasket, i was debating running a full wet system hidden under the manifold and hide all the shit in the wiper cowl. theres not much room behind the engine, so it would take one hell of a good eye to see the lines. just gonna take a bit of work to get all the tubing under the manifold perfect and cover it with a valley tray.

[H3llphyre]

Originally posted by Brad S
I've been running into so much bad luck with money that I wont be able to do the procharger for a while. So to hold me over I guess I want to spray. Honestly I don't know how n20 really works. I'd want a wet kit, so do you need to tap the fuel lines for this? How hard is it?

In terms of tuning what do I need to do? Will I need to rent the dyno again and play mail tag sending my chip to a tuner and whatnot, or will a 75 shot be alright on my current tune?

My understanding is you want it to spray a fuel n20 mix right before the TB my main question is how are you getting that fuel.

I know I want a purge kit, remote bottle opener, polished bottle and brackets, and an automete lunar psi gauge... can anyone tell me where the best place to find all this stuff is.. any idea what kit I should go with?? any help would be awesome.

A 75 shot I hear yeilds over 120ish to the rear wheels.


Typically, on smaller kits (<125 shot) you tap the fuel rail. If you want a kit installed, talk to matt. He installed the NOx in BigRed's tbird (there was no kit made for it, so he had to make it work). He can get the nitrous kits for a decent price and he will probably cut you a decent deal for installing it. He also knows a LOT more about nitrous installs then probably anyone here. Remember when he dusted you from that light with a little "psst psst"?

[03COBRABOY]

brad..as im sure u have..do a search on the svt forums. most of the guys running a 50-75 shot eem to be good with no extra tuning. it woulndt hurt to dyno though. u should get it though...ur gonna need it...:lol:

[igotasweetride]

Originally posted by Badass99RT
brad..as im sure u have..do a search on the svt forums. most of the guys running a 50-75 shot eem to be good with no extra tuning. it woulndt hurt to dyno though. u should get it though...ur gonna need it...:lol:


:lol: :owned:

[NickPSI]

I'm thinking about a 50shot with that computer that makes it only when the car is not at full boost.

I need nos. 2 bottles, the big ones.

[96Z28SS]

there is one place for cheap nitrous parts.
You can piece a kit together or they can piece a kit together.

www.dynotune.org

Rob
www.nedyno.com

[igotasweetride]

Originally posted by 96Z28SS
there is one place for cheap nitrous parts.
You can piece a kit together or they can piece a kit together.

www.dynotune.org

Rob
www.nedyno.com

i totally forgot they had a shop.

brad, talk to NED and they can toss together a kit, install it and dyno check it for short money and you dont have to run around place to place.

[383BackInBlack]

Originally posted by igotasweetride
i have to pull my intake to do a new gasket, i was debating running a full wet system hidden under the manifold and hide all the shit in the wiper cowl. theres not much room behind the engine, so it would take one hell of a good eye to see the lines. just gonna take a bit of work to get all the tubing under the manifold perfect and cover it with a valley tray.

thats cool....im gonna run a plate system though, so it would be harder to do it like that.......its cool though, just a lot of work...and if something leaks, you gotta take the intake off :no:

[Devin Mac]

Originally posted by 383BackInBlack
thats cool....im gonna run a plate system though, so it would be harder to do it like that.......its cool though, just a lot of work...and if something leaks, you gotta take the intake off :no:

ya know, even though i've read a couple of books on the subject, i've never quite grasped what makes a plate system better or worse... guess i have more homework to do...

[383BackInBlack]

Originally posted by Devin Mac
ya know, even though i've read a couple of books on the subject, i've never quite grasped what makes a plate system better or worse... guess i have more homework to do...

its not better or worse.....its just alot easier.....

the biggest problem with the older design bars in the plates was the fuel/nitrous distribution, certain cylinders tended not to get as much of the mix.....but with the cad designed bars they have now, its almost not a problem anymore.

direct port nozzles however, are the only way to get really huge amounts of nitrous and fuel into the intake ports.......the plate systems are generally fine to around 300hp or so

[03COBRABOY]

its not better or worse.....its just alot easier.....

not that i have HANDS ON experience at this but as an example. in the dakota R/T club there is a guy that runs nitrous ALL the time. 150 shot on a bolt on motor and ran 12.4s. he had the shark nozzle going into the intake tube before the throttle body. he got NX to make a plate system for the r/t and he got a first shot at one. he gained .2 and like 2-3mph just by doing that switch to a plate. he is a VERY consistent runner and that made everyone go for the plate systems. just a lil fyi from my end...:thumbsup:

[383BackInBlack]

Originally posted by Badass99RT
not that i have HANDS ON experience at this but as an example. in the dakota R/T club there is a guy that runs nitrous ALL the time. 150 shot on a bolt on motor and ran 12.4s. he had the shark nozzle going into the intake tube before the throttle body. he got NX to make a plate system for the r/t and he got a first shot at one. he gained .2 and like 2-3mph just by doing that switch to a plate. he is a VERY consistent runner and that made everyone go for the plate systems. just a lil fyi from my end...:thumbsup:

lol well ya....its waaaaay better than a dry system....but the plate and direct port systems are fairly comparable until you make tons of power

[igotasweetride]

Originally posted by 383BackInBlack
lol well ya....its waaaaay better than a dry system....but the plate and direct port systems are fairly comparable until you make tons of power

he was using a wet NX shark nozzle.

[383BackInBlack]

Originally posted by igotasweetride
he was using a wet NX shark nozzle.

ok......still not a great distribution system though, simply because of where its located and how it sprays

thats why the plate system showed a good gain

[igotasweetride]

Originally posted by 383BackInBlack
ok......still not a great distribution system though, simply because of where its located and how it sprays

thats why the plate system showed a good gain

yea, its deff not great. someone also has a shark nozzle set up right above the TB that sprays right manifold, i was told this was a huge no-no, but hes run more bottles through then i can count without a problem.

[383BackInBlack]

Originally posted by igotasweetride
yea, its deff not great. someone also has a shark nozzle set up right above the TB that sprays right manifold, i was told this was a huge no-no, but hes run more bottles through then i can count without a problem.

interesting.....stupid, but interesting:smokin:

[igotasweetride]

Originally posted by 383BackInBlack
interesting.....stupid, but interesting:smokin:


yea, thats what i thought, but hes been racing for longer then ive been alive and he knows his shit, so i wasnt questioning it. he said as long as you make sure it doesnt rotate, its fine.

[H3llphyre]

Originally posted by igotasweetride
i totally forgot they had a shop.

brad, talk to NED and they can toss together a kit, install it and dyno check it for short money and you dont have to run around place to place.

Um, dude, WHY?! I wouldn't say short money. More then you think.

Brad, talk to matt. As I said, he has installed many a nitrous kit, including the one in his bird. He will be more then willing to cut you a good deal on the install and such. Not really in the much of tuning involved, at least not dyno time worthy.

[383BackInBlack]

Originally posted by H3llphyre
Um, dude, WHY?! I wouldn't say short money. More then you think.

Brad, talk to matt. As I said, he has installed many a nitrous kit, including the one in his bird. He will be more then willing to cut you a good deal on the install and such. Not really in the much of tuning involved, at least not dyno time worthy.

their purge kits are cheap though

[igotasweetride]

Originally posted by H3llphyre
Um, dude, WHY?! I wouldn't say short money. More then you think.

Brad, talk to matt. As I said, he has installed many a nitrous kit, including the one in his bird. He will be more then willing to cut you a good deal on the install and such. Not really in the much of tuning involved, at least not dyno time worthy.

when you have that much into a car and you have a perfect tune, any serious mod is dyno worth just to check and make sure its still perfect and somethings not messed up. as for the price, their parts are cheap, matt's shop costs are deff cheaper, but i was thinking more for the ease of things he could just tell them what he wanted, drop it off a week later, pick it up at the end of the night and know that the tune was still perfect.

[H3llphyre]

Originally posted by igotasweetride
when you have that much into a car and you have a perfect tune, any serious mod is dyno worth just to check and make sure its still perfect and somethings not messed up. as for the price, their parts are cheap, matt's shop costs are deff cheaper, but i was thinking more for the ease of things he could just tell them what he wanted, drop it off a week later, pick it up at the end of the night and know that the tune was still perfect.

Do you know how many people I know have built cars without EVER stepping foot on a dyno. Matt tuned paul's car without a dyno. Went to the dyno, just for numbers, decided to fuck with it. It was dead on when it rolled in. I just don't think it is worth the time and effort to dyno NOx, unless you are purely interested in the HP gains. If he called matt, he could drop it off, have it back in a few days, and know that it works.... we would be more then willing to use out "ass dyno" to tune it... LOL

[igotasweetride]

Originally posted by H3llphyre
Do you know how many people I know have built cars without EVER stepping foot on a dyno. Matt tuned paul's car without a dyno. Went to the dyno, just for numbers, decided to fuck with it. It was dead on when it rolled in. I just don't think it is worth the time and effort to dyno NOx, unless you are purely interested in the HP gains. If he called matt, he could drop it off, have it back in a few days, and know that it works.... we would be more then willing to use out "ass dyno" to tune it... LOL


the ass dyno is great for tuning BUT tuning a carbed motor is a LOT easier then tuning an 03 cobra to the point where its perfect. true a LOT of people dont use a dyno, mostly NA guys cause its near impossible to fuck up that bad where the air/fuel would be soo far off that it would fuck something, but on a blown motor with juice, if it was mine, it wouldbe worth the extra $100 to make sure.

[H3llphyre]

Originally posted by igotasweetride
the extra $100


Keep going.

[igotasweetride]

Originally posted by H3llphyre
Keep going.


if he was getting the kit and havin them install it, it would only cost $100 for the 45-1hr on the dyno.

[383BackInBlack]

my last trip to the dyno was 2 hours......i got the timing right, took 4 tries, and changed the jets once....and i was running around like a mad man doing stuff......managed about 15 pulls though lol.

so if your tuning a blower motor, expect more than 2 hours lol

[igotasweetride]

Originally posted by 383BackInBlack
my last trip to the dyno was 2 hours......i got the timing right, took 4 tries, and changed the jets once....and i was running around like a mad man doing stuff......managed about 15 pulls though lol.

so if your tuning a blower motor, expect more than 2 hours lol


his car has been on the dyno PLENTY of times, all they would have to do was run it a few times to check the air/fuel, if its too far out, change a jet once or twice at most. they dont have to totally tune the car.

[H3llphyre]

Originally posted by igotasweetride
his car has been on the dyno PLENTY of times, all they would have to do was run it a few times to check the air/fuel, if its too far out, change a jet once or twice at most. they dont have to totally tune the car.
Okay, I am going back on my previous statement....

With a blown motor, it is a little harder. The NOx has a side effect that will change his base tuning.... it cools the intake charge, which will DRASTICALLY change how the blower reacts. Thinking this will be interesting with tuning. Maybe it won't make a damn bit of difference. Who knows, I don't care.

[igotasweetride]

Originally posted by H3llphyre
Okay, I am going back on my previous statement....

With a blown motor, it is a little harder. The NOx has a side effect that will change his base tuning.... it cools the intake charge, which will DRASTICALLY change how the blower reacts. Thinking this will be interesting with tuning. Maybe it won't make a damn bit of difference. Who knows, I don't care.


exactly, it would probably just lean it out slightly, in which case they could just up the fuel jet one or two and have it good enough.

[NickPSI]

Originally posted by igotasweetride
exactly, it would probably just lean it out slightly, in which case they could just up the fuel jet one or two and have it good enough.

Fuel jets? Go tune a carb.

[bottledbird68]

Originally posted by Devin Mac
ya know, even though i've read a couple of books on the subject, i've never quite grasped what makes a plate system better or worse... guess i have more homework to do... It all has to do with mixture distribution :thumbsup:

[igotasweetride]

Originally posted by NickPSI
Fuel jets? Go tune a carb.


my god you're retarded lol. if you're gonna steal my qoute, at least do a good job of it. there are FUEL jets and NITROUS jets on a wet system, thus tuning the mixture.

[96Z28SS]

to tune the car correctly you need to go to the dyno and get the air/fuel ratio reading. You can get lucky and get it right but in most cases it don't happen.

We have customers that are point racers at New England Dragway they come to the dyno very frequently when they make changes. Most are carb cars. They always run faster at the track when its dynoed and were able to tune it correctly. Nitrous isn't something you want to play with only going with your ass meter.

Nitrous is very finiky(sp) too rich or too lean and you just fryed the pistons. I've seen more damage done with a system that was too rich than too lean.

Cars that get tuned on the dyno run faster than the cars that get ass dynoed. We have proven it to more than a few guys that belong to the Central Mass Drag Racers Assoc.

Do what you guys want just putting in my 2 cents.

Rob

[igotasweetride]

Originally posted by 96Z28SS
to tune the car correctly you need to go to the dyno and get the air/fuel ratio reading. You can get lucky and get it right but in most cases it don't happen.

We have customers that are point racers at New England Dragway they come to the dyno very frequently when they make changes. Most are carb cars. They always run faster at the track when its dynoed and were able to tune it correctly. Nitrous isn't something you want to play with only going with your ass meter.

Nitrous is very finiky(sp) too rich or too lean and you just fryed the pistons. I've seen more damage done with a system that was too rich than too lean.

Cars that get tuned on the dyno run faster than the cars that get ass dynoed. We have proven it to more than a few guys that belong to the Central Mass Drag Racers Assoc.

Do what you guys want just putting in my 2 cents.

Rob


are you the guy who works at NED? if so, hows dean's motor comin? last time i was there was a year ago and they just finished melting another valve out back on the engine dyno :thumbsup:

[96Z28SS]

Deans motor is together and running fine its all tuned and just waiting for the weather to get better. Its getting the tranny refreshed for the spring also.

We melted that motor twice because we were trying to break a record on how much NOS you could shove down its throat on Pump Gas (93 octane) lets just say we gave up. I mean who really needs more than a 300 shot on a street/strip car.

Rob

[igotasweetride]

Originally posted by 96Z28SS
Deans motor is together and running fine its all tuned and just waiting for the weather to get better. Its getting the tranny refreshed for the spring also.

We melted that motor twice because we were trying to break a record on how much NOS you could shove down its throat on Pump Gas (93 octane) lets just say we gave up. I mean who really needs more than a 300 shot on a street/strip car.

Rob

sweet, what was the total output with the juice off of pump gas?

[H3llphyre]

Originally posted by 96Z28SS
to tune the car correctly you need to go to the dyno and get the air/fuel ratio reading. You can get lucky and get it right but in most cases it don't happen.

We have customers that are point racers at New England Dragway they come to the dyno very frequently when they make changes. Most are carb cars. They always run faster at the track when its dynoed and were able to tune it correctly. Nitrous isn't something you want to play with only going with your ass meter.

Nitrous is very finiky(sp) too rich or too lean and you just fryed the pistons. I've seen more damage done with a system that was too rich than too lean.

Cars that get tuned on the dyno run faster than the cars that get ass dynoed. We have proven it to more than a few guys that belong to the Central Mass Drag Racers Assoc.

Do what you guys want just putting in my 2 cents.

Rob

Don't get me wrong. Dyno'ing is really one of the better ways to "tune" a car. it isn't always 100% applicable to actually running the car down the strip, but real damn close. It comes down to more of a cost benefit. In some applications, I just don't see the value of dyno'ing. If i were ever running anything over a 150 shot, the car would be on the dyno tuning. If my car ever was highly tuned (EFI wise), it would see the dyno. Which means, I will probably be coming down to NEDyno this year a few times. I just wanna show up in my caprice on F-body day, and show them how a 4 door sled can put down the same or higher numbers then them... Of course, the added 1000lbs makes it a moot point.

Okay, quick question. I have a Stealth RT/TT. Thinking about making a showing to the dyno. Have you ever had anyone remove their transfer case and do a FWD pull with a 3000gt VR4 or Stealth RT/TT?

[Brad S]

Originally posted by Badass99RT
brad..as im sure u have..do a search on the svt forums. most of the guys running a 50-75 shot eem to be good with no extra tuning. it woulndt hurt to dyno though. u should get it though...ur gonna need it...:lol:

I don't get whats funny:eh:

[igotasweetride]

Originally posted by Brad S
I don't get whats funny:eh:


he plans on spankin you at the track like kelly does to don at night :thumbsup:

[03COBRABOY]

screw the track...the street...:lol:

if a dyno is so useless, why does matt want one? because it popular and everyone tunes their cars so they odnt blow them up?

[96Z28SS]

we never ran it with anything over 93 octane, it made 825hp with NOS. Its when we were going for over 900hp mark that the fuel (octane) became a problem.

Nope never had a Stealth or Vr4 on the dyno.
We have had Talons and eclipse remove the rear driveshaft and dyno FWD.

We had a blown Impalla SS put down over 500rwhp
and a Cadillac Fleetwood with a NX wet kit put down 400rwhp.

Rob

[H3llphyre]

Originally posted by Badass99RT
screw the track...the street...:lol:

if a dyno is so useless, why does matt want one? because it popular and everyone tunes their cars so they odnt blow them up?

Oh, I know. I would dyno tune everything I ever worked on if I had one or money wasn't a concern. Not about to say I wouldn't. I am just saying for a small shot of juice, I wouldn't bother with the added expense. it just doesn't seem worth it to me.

Right around the 150 shot range, I would probably dyno tune a juiced motor.

[H3llphyre]

Originally posted by 96Z28SS
Nope never had a Stealth or Vr4 on the dyno.
We have had Talons and eclipse remove the rear driveshaft and dyno FWD.

Rob

Blah, I guess I may be the first person you have seen try it. I am really curious what the stealth has for power with the stock turbos. Mainly out of curiousity. maybe it will make its way there on one of the dyno days, cuz I can't justify an appointment JUST for that.

[383BackInBlack]

the dyno is an important tool.......but i would never base my track tuning solely on the fact that i dynoed the car and it made more power.....

tons of people tune their car for optimum power on the dyno, and then either run a little slower.....or seem to find even more power while their at the track......

the majority of cars run faster at the track on a slightly richer mixture than they use to make max power on the dyno.....there are alot of theories on this, but the best is that there is much more air available to the engine when your hammering down the track, as opposed to sitting in a dyno room stationary (and no, the fan doesnt cut it)

conditions at the track vary widely too, and SAE corrections are not that accurate........not only do the conditions change widely.....but the change FAST....one day i started out running over 116.....by the end of the day i was down to 113 just from the change in the air.

but the dyno is an important tool to be used wisely......it will definitely give you a good insight as to whats going on, and give you a great starting point.

[Brad S]

Originally posted by igotasweetride
he plans on spankin you at the track like kelly does to don at night :thumbsup:

He'll get the 60' there is no question there.. but he's not going to trap 130 unless he starts buying some of my used parts. HEHHE

[igotasweetride]

Originally posted by Brad S
He'll get the 60' there is no question there.. but he's not going to trap 130 unless he starts buying some of my used parts. HEHHE


we don't race for trap speed, we race for times :thumbsup:

[H3llphyre]

Originally posted by igotasweetride
we don't race for trap speed, we race for times :thumbsup:

Eh, don't even race for times either.... Who ever gets to the end first wins. There is a difference.

[Brad S]

Jake won't spank me at the track, because I'm not going to the track, I'm just not interested..... But I will smoke your ass on the highway f@g style, haha.

My launch at the track will be me watching jake lift the front and being half way down the track, while I'm rolling out of the lights. Hahah. For me its not a competition, I just like the fact he's got the same car and I'm learning a thing or two, taking the IRS out was cool, but thats not for me. You know how I do it, BLING BLING before too much go.

Anyway I pulled out my credit card because I saved up just enough cash for my procharger and I bitched out. I just can't afford to blow that kinda money on a car part thats going to cost thousands more to make run well. So I'm going to wait a little while and see if maybe a kenne bell comes on the market, "used" or I'm going to bite the bullet and run a 150 shot.

[H3llphyre]

Originally posted by Brad S
Jake won't spank me at the track, because I'm not going to the track, I'm just not interested..... But I will smoke your ass on the highway f@g style, haha.

My launch at the track will be me watching jake lift the front and being half way down the track, while I'm rolling out of the lights. Hahah. For me its not a competition, I just like the fact he's got the same car and I'm learning a thing or two, taking the IRS out was cool, but thats not for me. You know how I do it, BLING BLING before too much go.

Anyway I pulled out my credit card because I saved up just enough cash for my procharger and I bitched out. I just can't afford to blow that kinda money on a car part thats going to cost thousands more to make run well. So I'm going to wait a little while and see if maybe a kenne bell comes on the market, "used" or I'm going to bite the bullet and run a 150 shot.

I think you would be better off with the nitrous anyway. Not only would it make more power because of the obvious fact of the nitrous, but it would also cool the intake charge, making your boost more effective. Plus, its cheaper. You have plenty of power for normal driving, when you need the extra punch, flip the swithes and go. PSST PSST

[NickPSI]

Brad I know you, you've got a heavy foot. NOS isn't for amatuers.

[Devin Mac]

Originally posted by NickPSI
Brad I know you, you've got a heavy foot. NOS isn't for amatuers.
you fucked up another quote dude...

Brad, amateurs don't use nitrous oxide. I've seen the way you drive. You've got a heavy foot. You'll blow yourself to pieces

[Brad S]

Hahah I do have a heavy foot, baaawaaa bwaawawawaw

Haha, I saw on ebay there is a wrecked 2003 with a kenne bell on it, the guy wants 10k for the motor. He's in NC so I told him I'd drive down there and swap my eaton for the kenne bell. It would be cool if that worked out, drive down there with an eaton drive back up with a KB. We'll see, if I can get a good deal I'll do that. If my buddy mike went down with me the whole swap would take about 4 hours and he's got about 30 kenne bell tunes on his predator.. Hope this works out, I'd love to steal that blower.

[03COBRABOY]

he have anything else? whats good on it?